video : Christian girls talking about sex and masturbation

2014

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  1. I am very confused about this. see, i am a christian and i have mastribated. I have a lot of anxiety issues and stress and i was a child that explored her body early in life. I was curious and that isn’t wrong. I started when I was about 7 or 8 and it’s been something “normal” all my life. They say there are all kinds of benifits the body has from mastrabation. If it had things that are so good for the body, why would it be bad for a woman? I don’t look at porn or bad pictures. That does not turn me on. I don’t think about doing sexual things or anything like that when i mastrabate with a vibrator. i just do it because it feels good. Also i believe the bible mentions something about mastrabation being wrong for men because they have to spill “seed” or semon when they mastrabate. That same semon could have become a baby. When a woman mastrabates, it isn’t “spilling seed.” I feel conflicted about it but, i still do it. I still considder myself a strong christian woman. God is my anchor and my strength but, i am not totally convinced that female mastrabation is wrong.

  2. They are ashamed of confessing to what they really done or doing. At least in this era no one can’t abstain from sex quite long. Sex is perfectly natural and normal human need, it is also the most powerful human activity.

  3. To much stuttering and can’t look into the camera. Not saying its a bad thing but they have had sex and they like it simple as that. Come on facts are facts.

  4. the irony of sex is that it’s the very thing from which we all came and it’s the very thing that destroys all of us..because the flesh is vile and corrupted and something so divine is not meant for any of us in our current state…

  5. The way he ask things tho. I have a feeling he gets turned on asking these questions. Ughhh his voice tho 😣😣 so annoying like come on why he wants to know their personal stuff.

  6. Having sex before marriage is cheating on your future marriage partner. You would be giving away for free your most precious gift to someone who doesn’t love you enough to marry you, and cheating the one who does love you enough to marry you out of that same precious gift. Good luck with that strategy! The problem starts with people thinking that sex is just good fun, rather than something holy and precious to be shared only with someone who is willing to give you self sacrificial love. Sex is not meant to be used like a recreational drug, but rather it is meant to be used to bind two people together for a lifetime. That is why people who engage in premarital sex are far more likely to divorce. If you want to have a modern life comprised of serial monogamous relationships and wind up alone when you are old, by all means engage in premarital sex. If you want to have a happy fulfilling life with a partner who will stay with you to the bitter end, don’t have premarital sex. Don’t let the crowd do your thinking for you. Spend your young years chaste but looking for someone who could be a real partner for you, don’t put it off, try and marry young so you have an outlet for your sexual energy. Then your life will work out for the best.

  7. “of course it feels good, that’s why it’s sin” 7:02……This is why there is no hope for Christians, they seriously do believe that WHATEVER feels good, must by necessity be evil and wrong, especially with the area of sex and pleasure Do you understand now why this entrenched belief in Christians has permeated throughout all of society, and created a schizophrenic mind set that has destroyed so many lives

    Imagine growing up in a world where every pleasurable touch, every good feeling is a sin, and every bad feeling, and pain and suffering is a good thing…….THIS IS WHY SOCIETY IS SO FUCKED IN THE HEAD

    I am a Christian, but I do not, nor will I ever subscribe to that retarded mind set….Tell me Christian girls, if it’s such a sin to pleasure yourself with masturbation, how will you ever feel comfortable when your future husband masturbates your vagina to orgasm? is THAT pleasure suddenly ok now, whereas it was dirty and evil before you got married?, what changed something that feels so good and beautiful from an evil thing to a good thing?

    1. Yep , my classmates (female ) are also beautiful that I can’t stifled my lust . I feel a little bit guilty of what I did . However …. I think I was doing a right thing , if I didn’t masturbate to my classmates’ self-portraits , I may end up doing something wrong to my classmates .

  8. why you exposing these girls business, girls you dont have to answer such questions some things everyone doesn’t need to know, how about the camera sit down record himself and talk about his own experience rather than trying to juice these young girls

  9. Children masturbate, both boys and girls.
    I have a medical background.
    It is more prominent in boys than girls.
    It is generally involuntary.
    It is totally natural and safe.
    People somehow are told they are bad.
    I even heard a reference to the “devil”.
    That is crazy.

    1. I have read different studies from Masters & Johnson, Kinsey reports, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Discovery Health, etc. and all these surveys and studies show that almost all girls/guys do it. The difference is that it is still a shameful prohibited taboo topic for women. Reason why a woman will rarely ever dare herself to be honest enough to admit it. While guys can be heard joking about it. That’s why people think this is “a guy thing” the same way people think sentimental stuff is “a girl thing” when it is not.

    2. Children masturbate, both boys and girls.
      I have a medical background.
      It is more prominent in boys than girls.
      It is generally involuntary.
      It is totally natural and safe.
      People somehow are told they are bad.
      I even heard a reference to the “devil”.
      That is crazy.

      I began masturbating when I was just 9 or ten. My mom never made me feel shameful and only encouraged me to keep it private. Since I shared a room with my siblings, she’d even understand when I locked myself in her room for a while.
      My kids are open about it and use it a way to relax when appropriate and to simply enjoy some time that is all about them and the needs their maturing bodies have.

  10. Discretionaly sex is a personal decision among partners.
    We have to be careful to remember that in discussing these important topics that it applies to ourselves only, and no one else.
    Christians somehow are confused by this.
    Historically they have applied their own moral codes to all of society resulting in unnecessary confusion and even discrimination.
    Personally, I make my own decisions and manage my sexuality to my own personal needs.
    I need neither books or bibles as guidance, and certainly not advice from others.

  11. As a member of the Nofap community I have experienced the incredible rewards and benefits of not masturbating. To hold in your sexual energy (which is the strongest desire and drive in human beings) and allow yourself to utilize that energy for all kinds of other creative achievements is an incredible life. There is a huge biological difference between relieving yourself compared to intercourse. There has been scientific studies regarding this issue now that has clearly exposed the perils of excessive masturbation, especially to porn and maladaptive fantasy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU&t=2s

    I’ve been a Christian for 40 years and for most of that time I masturbated until I discovered how detrimental it has been. I, like so many others believed it had no negative effect in my life but, eventually I was able to see how it was connected to social anxiety, lack of confidence, living in a fog and associating myself with things I would normally not do in my every day life. Masturbation can become addictive because of the extraordinary high level of dopamine generated. It can very easily take over your life and limit yourself from your full potential. And it’s very simple to understand that God wants you at your full potential.

        1. Hmmmm….I’m not insulted by ignorance. I’m sorry to say you are full of yourself and flourish in your ignorance. It’s easy for people to see, one day you may as well. As for now I can only turn away from you in recognition of someone who is trapped in her own conceit.

    1. As a member of the Nofap community I have experienced the incredible rewards and benefits of not masturbating. To hold in your sexual energy (which is the strongest desire and drive in human beings) and allow yourself to utilize that energy for all kinds of other creative achievements is an incredible life. There is a huge biological difference between relieving yourself compared to intercourse. There has been scientific studies regarding this issue now that has clearly exposed the perils of excessive masturbation, especially to porn and maladaptive fantasy.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU&t=2s

      I’ve been a Christian for 40 years and for most of that time I masturbated until I discovered how detrimental it has been. I, like so many others believed it had no negative effect in my life but, eventually I was able to see how it was connected to social anxiety, lack of confidence, living in a fog and associating myself with things I would normally not do in my every day life. Masturbation can become addictive because of the extraordinary high level of dopamine generated. It can very easily take over your life and limit yourself from your full potential. And it’s very simple to understand that God wants you at your full potential.

      Ridiculous!
      No empirical studies about self sex have shown deleterious effects, just the opposite
      as a matter of fact.
      But if you for some reason find it offensive then refrain.
      Just don’t expect others to follow your lead.

      1. There is nothing offensive about it. It’s “not” true that there are “no” empirical studies of excessive masturbation and porn use, The American Psychiatric Association defines paraphilia as “recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors…that cause significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other areas of functioning. This behavior originates from someone starting with harmless occasional masturbation (which is what I think you are talking about) into a destructive pattern very much like alcoholism and drug addiction. In the way every one does not become a drunk not every one is effected by porn, but to say it is ridiculous it’s obvious you have not researched this subject thoroughly. I posted a video on my original comment…did you watch it?

          1. Hmmmm….I’m not insulted by ignorance. I’m sorry to say you are full of yourself and flourish in your ignorance. It’s easy for people to see, one day you may as well. As for now I can only turn away from you in recognition of someone who is trapped in her own conceit.

            1. listen to yourself.
              You are obsessed with sex and your denial has made you angry.
              You can barely be civil and resort to bullying.
              The fact that you masturbate screams.
              I am sorry for you.
              We all are.
              Lose your anger.

  12. “The Bible may, indeed does, contain a warrant for trafficking in humans, for ethnic cleansing, for slavery, for bride-price, and for indiscriminate massacre, but we are not bound by any of it because it was put together by crude, uncultured human mammals.”

    — Christopher Hitchens

  13. she’s never masturbated….hahahahahhah yeah sure hahahhajah.
    Come on there’s nothing wrong with masturbation!!!! accept it and enjoy it!

  14. Christians don’t say whatever they want about sex, example that gay sex wrong , actually any sex outside marriage wrong because we like to , but it is God’s way and comes from His Word —- no one is making you believe this , but it is correct God /Jesus are Real and God as given us His Word to live by , but you can choose to do as you wish , —– God /Jesus Loves you choose His Way

      1. be quiet religious people are the stubborn super douches of the world we best leave this guy alone because if we start an argument with him he will definitely not shut up unless we do

      1. wow you aren’t very bright are you? I was talking about how pleasurable masturbation and sex is purely for the girl, read my original comment again and then try to complain, our body is an amazing thing and with all of the nerves in us that are able to provide incredible pleasure I believe it is a shame that she is choosing not to indulge herself in such wonderful pleasures

  15. CHRISTIANITY IS A LIE. “The Christian Church has done everything in its power to suppress and control sexuality. Sexual energy is the creative life force that liberates the kundalini, and is a direct threat to their agenda for enslaving humanity. There is nothing spiritual about Christianity. Christianity is a tool to remove all spiritual knowledge and spirituality. This has been effectively accomplished by attacking the second chakra, which is the sexual chakra, thus keeping the kundalini serpent bound in the base. In order for the kundalini energy to ascend, and ascend safely, all of the chakras must be free and open. Psychological hang-ups manifest themselves in the chakras, which are the key components of the soul, and create blocks that prevent the ascension and circulation of spiritual energy, both in the 7 main chakras and in the 144,000 nadir.” – http://see_the_truth.webs.com/Sexuality.html

    1. yep they wait til marriage so they don’t have any experience. I’d pay to se the awkward wedding night of two virgins hahahhava hilarious and cringe worthy.
      some even save their firts kiss. there’s an AWESOME vidwo here on youtube of two virgins kissing for the first time at their wedding and words can’t describe how awkward it was. the people who assisted were trying no to laugh hahha please search for it you’ll love it.

    2. I don’t beleive in God the bible says this it says that I met plenty of Christian women who where very sluty women and they had lots and lots of sex before marriage so I don’t believe in god it’s bolony there is no god

  16. I’ve never masturbated.

    This is crazy, I follow Christian principles but I do it everyday it’s nothing “evil”. It’s hard wired in our dna and honestly I feel bad for you. It makes you feel good and relieved and if you don’t do it because it’s evil then you’re sad lol

    1. I don’t want to judge you, but if you claim you are a Christ follower, you should want to live a life that glorifies God, and it is highlighted over and over in Gods word. I would encourage you to read Gods word and truly dedicate yourself to fully understand the bible

  17. I feel sorry for then. Sexual impulses is something natural, all humans beigns and other animals fells it.
    It has nothing to do the Devil or sin. Masturbation do no harm at all. On the contrary, it’s actually considerated heathy by the doctors .

    1. I have to humbly disagree with you…masturbation is selfish and according to the masses masturbation is associated with pornographic images while in the act…Who masturbates with out a agent for arousal? Christian as my sister and I are,are not a product of this world or nor do we follow the ways of this world…Godly desire is to be attracted to someone and to have sex only in marriage and to remain pure even in marriage…what is healthier then what you mentioned by these doctors is having a pure Christ like mind so masturbation is not a issue.

      1. Then God should had made us to feel sexual impulse only for those we are married to.
        Instead he made us feel sexual desire for almost everyone who passes by.
        I guess that if God made us like that and godly desire is to be attracted only for our partner in marriage, then God must have a sarcastic twisted sense of humor.

        1. No he didn’t make us that way as you pose he did, you just don’t know who our Christian God is…One of the 10 commandments is not to commit adultery.. Jesus then said if you look at a woman with lust in your heart you are guilty of adultery. We are Christians and your view is worldly not biblical at all about sex, marriage or the way that he has made us because if you were to read the book of Genesis you will find out that God did create us to be attracted to one woman and for that one woman to be attracted to her one husband….Sin is the problem and sin looks for a way to be justified. We are born into sin because of the fall so yes if you call sin natural you are right but we Christians have buried our flesh and conquered it on the cross with Christ so we are a new creation, born again to walk and live in the spirit…The world is spiritually dead but we Christians are spiritually alive…. Thanks for your feedback it is much appreciated…

          1. Of course my views is worldly. What I said before, about us being essencially sexual beings, is a biological fact. If God supposedly made us, he made us in this way. So, the way he made us contradicts the way he wants us to behave. That just doesn’t make any sense!
            And I don’t believe even for a minute that you christians overcame this natural sexual drive just because “conquered the cross”. You may pretend that you did, but soon or later you will feel actraction/lust for someone. It’s natural. It will happen, You can’t control and there is nothing wrong with it.

            1. Yes we will never conquer the desire to be sexual its right to be sexual with your partner in marriage….Hold on let me clarify something for you ok….It is not a sin to have the desire to be sexually fulfilled what is a sin is how you entertain the thought of it being fulfilled and the actions you take for it being fulfilled. We Christians are still people….Granted. We just do not live according to our flesh…We live according to the word of God and live a life in the power of the Holy Spirit…Aka Christ mindedness….I hope that clears some things up….The desire is not wrong but its the thought and the action that is wrong if that desire is fulfilled out side of Marriage and the biblical standards.

              1. How come the desire is not wrong while the thought is, if the last is created by the first? It’s just impossible not to have sexual desire, therefore it’s impossible not to think about sex. It will happen, you being married or not.
                Now, I understand that one can do harmful things with sexual desire, but masturbation and thoughts are clearly not one of then.

                  1. Mostly yes. We are not all good or all evil. I consider myself mostly good. There is much of a grey area on every one of us.
                    But try to be straight on what does that have to do with masturbation ok? Do not get off topic.

                    1. Well the scriptures says that not one is good not one…For all have (sinned) and fallen short of the Glory of God. This is on topic with masturbation….There are 10 commandments which is the law that we all are hold accountable to. If you have ever lied, thought of having sex with someone’s else’s wife or stolen before etc….You are guilty and deserve death…I myself am guilty of breaking the commandments…The law shows us that we are sinners and that we are not good at all because if you break one you have broken them all…..So what does this have to do with masturbation….If you look upon a woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery with her in your heart.. One of the ten commandments is thy shall not commit adultery so when a person masturbates I am sure there is lusting going on in that persons heart or why else would a person masturbate? Have you lusted? stolen something? Lied? thought about killing someone, that is committing murder in your heart? I am certain you have broken more than one of these commandments, so you are a sinner and if you are left in this state you are in danger of hell but this is why I mentioned that we Christian do you live according to the flesh because the flesh is wicked but when Christ is accepted the spirit of God is given to you that is known as the holy spirit that makes us aware of our sinful nature/flesh. Without the spirit and left to our own we all would go to hell because when you do not have Christ you are spiritual dead and destined to be judged according to the ten commandments and no man can save his self from his sin because we are sinful that is why Christ is our savior and we receive his spirit to redeem us and give us salvation and freedom for our fallen nature…..So we renew our minds and no longer conform to this world and it’s ways of thinking…So the question is are you a sinner my polite patient friend?

                    2. That’s exactly what I am saying since the beginning: why would God make us sexual beings, or lustful beings if you wish, make us feel sexual attraction for virtually anyone, make us have strong libido, make us naturally this way and then he says that it’s prohibited? That’s just doesn’t make any sense at all. If God acts this way, he is has a sadistic sense of humor and is not worth worshiping,

                    3. No Renato you are so far off base….God created us with no sin in the Garden of Eden…. Gods plan was for us to live with out sin and death…Sin is anything outside of Gods plan and standards..Adam and Eve had a sexual attraction to each other but they were joined into that union by God. Adam and Eve knew no sin at that time. They had direct connection to God and lived in his presence. Meaning that if there was another person outside of their union they would not have had any sexual attraction to the person outside of the union…..But since Satan came into the Garden and deceived Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil and she gave some to Adam to eat sin came into them and they Died spiritually and were cut off from the presence of God because of their sin the spirit of God was taken away from them. They were exiled from the Garden and cursed by sin….Sin is lust, hate, murder, perversion, lies…etc God is everything Good and Pure….Because Adam and Eve are our first parents we are born into sin to have a sinful nature….God does not create sin nor a sinful nature. Since we are born into sin and have a sinful nature…when you become a Christian you accept that Christ is God and he died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected in 3 days and defeated sin and death on the cross and believe in faith that he has done all that he said he has done and repent of your sinful ways…You are giving the spirit of Christ that makes you more aware of your sinful nature and you start to become sanctified…..Which means you start your life over because you are born again and you start to renew your mind and become like your father in heaven killing the sinful nature by sacrificing your flesh/sin/nature daily to God and start to live and walk according to the spirit of God………Only the spirit of God can make you realize you are a sinner and how sinful you are and how you are in need of the free gift of salvation. Feel free my friend to offer as much feed back as you like….I do not mind talking to you about this at all.. Actually it is a pleasure…

                    4. Then tell me only one thing:
                      If God is everything good and pure and doesnt create sin, how come did the entire of humanity became sinful? You said that was when Satan decieved Eve sin came into them, I know very well the story. According to this, sin came into the world through Satan. And Satan came from where? Came nothing? Who created Satan? Wasn’t it God?

                    5. God did indeed create Lucifer but God did not create Satan….Lucifer became Satan when he defied God….God created Lucifer for worship and he was the bright morning star. God created him with free will and he chose in his free will to defy God which made him become Satan, so no God did not create sin…Satan is the creator of sin. Sin goes against God.

                    6. Really? Can’t you really see how non sense that sounds? “God didn’t create sin. God created the thing that created sin”. Give me a better explanation, I don’t buy this one even for a second.

                    7. So that is nonsense to you….We humans can create drugs that are suppose to be used for medical purposes but it gets abused by addicts…We humans created rockets to go to the moon now they have rockets with nukes and rockets weren’t made to kill people…Humans create babies they never attended to abuse…Kids grow up and turn on their creator, their parents…but you have a hard time believing that God didn’t create sin because he created the agent that turned out to create sin…..Im sure when ford created the first car he didn’t attend it would be used for bank robberies…When bell created the phone im sure he didn’t know that the phone would be used to threatened people, cause roadside bombs to explode…Im sure when we created the computer it wasn’t meant to be used to bully people to the point that they hang themselves on cam for the world to see….but you have a hard time believing that God didn’t create sin…..That’s like if I gave you 100 dollars just because you were homeless and you have free will to make your own decisions with what was given to you for a good purpose and you go and get drunk and kill someone that is my fault right? Come on friend…

                      You have the right to make good or evil decisions and same for satan…If you had a kid and you raised him your best and he kills someone I guess that makes you evil because your kid grew up and killed someone?

                    8. That’s totally different because I, as a human being, have limited power and knowledge. I am not perfect or all good, unlike God, I am bounded to the laws of nature: biology, physics, my limited intelect, my ignorance. When I “make” another human being, he/she is bounded to the laws of biology/ embriology, human development that I also am confined to. He/she will be fallible just like me. The same goes to cars, computer and phones. They are all creation of a fallible creature, and are confined in the laws of nature that we have to live with. So yes, it ‘s perfect reasonable that this things can be used for evil and are not perfect creations.
                      What is non sense, is God that is everything good, pure and do not create sin or sinful nature, ending up creating beings that are sinners and sinful in nature.
                      And guess what, we are all accountable for those creations when it goes wrong. It’s human being’s fault that cars do exists and cause death. It’s humans fault that technology is used to do harmful things. That’s why we are always trying to make them better and safer. We must improove them. It’s our responsibility and ours alone. But seems to you that is our fault and satan’s fault that we are sinners, not God’s fault. Non sense!

                    9. It is not Gods fault at all….You missed the key thing that I mentioned to you was free will……A inanimate objects do not have free will nor does anything else that was mentioned…..We have free will and satan has free will as well…God is love and what love does is allow free will even if you do not like the outcome of that persons decision….God also fixed or made whole what satan tried to get him to curse and that was us….God sent his son to be the final sacrifice for us all to be redeemed to him because of his grace and mercy and unconditional love….Just because God Created Lucifer which in turn he turned against God and that was sin….It is not Gods fault but what I can tell you is that God has made a way for us to be redeemed to him because satan tried to take us away from God by making us to be born into a sinful nature…by The Blood of Jesus Christ……God is all knowing and to honest with you There is so much yet to know and learn about Gods will for me myself but I can tell I know God is good for how much he has changed my life….

                      but you did hit the nail on the head….You basically said we are flawed as humans so what we create is flawed….But that begs the question why are we flawed and not perfect…But also since we are not perfect and have never been able to see what perfection is,,,,,,yet we still have a notion of what perfection is God has put his law in our hearts already to know the difference between wrong and right.. Intuitively…Hints even you have a battle that wages inside of you….The question is why is it there in the first place?

                    10. “It is not Gods fault at all. You missed the key thing that I mentioned to you was free will”
                      Free will doesn’t exempt God’s resposibility for making us and Satan the way we are. How come free will exempt God the responsibility for make us the way we are?
                      “what love does is allow free will even if you do not like the outcome of that persons decision”
                      So, does he allow us to masturbate? You said that if one lusts, he/she is in danger of hell. it is not free will at all if one is threatened.
                      “But that begs the question why are we flawed and not perfect”
                      Exactly. Why God’s creation turned out being flawed? Satan’s and or human’s fault? You say yes because he gave us the freedom for being so. You basically saying that is our fault because he gave us the hability of being so. That’s just doesnt make sense at all! It confirms that it is his fault that humans and satan turned out being the way he created us!

                    11. I personally believe true love is not making someone to do exactly as you want them to but if they do as you want them to do on their own that is true humility and that is what I give to God….God did not make us to be robots because where is the intimacy in that…I begged of the question why is no one perfect? You didn’t answer that…I asked you why is there a battle in you between Good and evil you didn’t answer that as well… The reason why I asked you that is because if you read all my previous text to you I am pointing out to you the battle between Good and evil…..Good is good and Satan is the evil….Gods original plan was for us to be like him entirely free of sin and to live among him…..Satan defied God because he had free will to serve God or not and Satan brought about the fall of men which is sin that cut us off from God (spiritually) emphasis on (Spiritually) We died spiritually because of sin….Sin equals death-spiritually… Hints why I showed you the Ten commandments Which is the law that was given to us after the fall aka Sin—the law shows us that we are sinful beings by nature because of sin and that we can not save ourselves from our sinful nature which is something that God did not create but satan created sin. God hates sin….God is Spiritual but because of sin we are born spiritually dead not spiritually alive….In order to be born again in the spirit we must accept Christ…..The Law of God brings death to your soul which is the ten commandments….I had asked you if you lied, stolen anything before you never answered and I know everyone has lied before so according to the Law of GOD you are a sinner and deserve death…Satan brought sin to makind so that We will have his doom on us as well….But God sent his son to redeem us from that sin that we can not save ourselves from…hints why he died on the cross…He died to conquer sin and death….SO now as a Christian I live according to Gods spirit in me and not my sinful nature which is satan’s nature…..I am trying to make this as clear as possible…..Satan is the GOD of this world with limited control so a short period of time but GOD is the GOD of all heaven and earth and Satan will be crushed finally by the Return of Christ and throw into the pits of hell for the pain he as caused Gods masterpiece’s which is mankind…….Worldly Nature is Satan’s Nature……Spiritual Nature from God is Godly nature…..God hates sin and he can you be where sin dwells….So there is no remission of sins without the shedding of Blood and Christ is the only Man who was perfect and sinless that Gave his life to save the world from there sin…….I hope I made this clear to you…..Please read this in entirety and read my previous statements to you so you can see the big picture……I am not inconsistent my friend all I have shared with you goes hand and hand…..

                    12. I personally believe true free will and love is allowing someone do as they want without having a threat otherwise.
                      Would be infinitely better us being robots and having no danger of hell than us having a fake free will and fake love and being threatened if we don’t follow this God. Actually, we already are robots, cause as I said, we are confined in the laws of nature and biology. Just as we cant by nature grow a lost limb by pure will power or stay without food for more than a few days, we could very well be limited of being incapable of doing evil things or incapable of unpleasing God. But instead, he made us lustful creatures and punishes us for being the way we are. Non sense is not even a good way to describe such a illogical bullshit.
                      Why is no one perfect? Well, thas is a question that you have to answer, since your point of view is that we were made by a perfect being that cannot create sin or sinful nature. From my point of view it’s olny naturally we are imperfect being, cause there is no such thing as perfection in this universe and we are a product of this universe. Thousands of living beings have to die in order to us to exist. Nature is cruel. Far from perfect, and we are part of this.
                      Why is there a battle in me between Good and evil? That’s because I, as every other human, am a social being. Social animals have to develop some kind of moral in order to live in group. Thats is what makes dolphins and chimpanszees and us diferent from a shark or a snake. Did you see the recent case where a little boy dropped in a gorila’s space in a zoo? Did you see the gorila trying to protec the child? Thats the type of social animals we are. Thats in our nature, just like the sex drive you are so willing to say that God doesn’t like
                      “the battle between Good and evil…..Good is good and Satan is the evil… Gods original plan was for us to be like him entirely free of sin and to live among him…..Satan defied God because he had free will”
                      Then God shouldn’t had made Satan with free will. Or shouldn’t have created Satan at all. It’s God’s fault he created Satan with the hability to defie him and it is also God’s fault he allow Satan to corrupt mankind.
                      “…sinful nature which is something that God did not create but satan created sin” But God created Satan, with the hability to be sinful and hability to bring sin to mankind, so it is all God’s creation and his ceration’s actions is also ultimately his creation.
                      “But God sent his son to redeem us from that sin that we can not save ourselves from”
                      So God create flawed creatures, doesn’t aprrove what this creation does, blame his creation for being flawed, create a solution to redeem this flaws that himself created, and I have to accept that is my fault that I am the way he created me, and If I dont accept this I am in danger of hell? That makes me laugh! Such a God is more evil, sadic and selfish than any flawed human being I ever met! A being with such a character is no God. It is a spoiled child.
                      “Satan will be crushed finally by the Return of Christ and throw into the pits of hell for the pain he as caused Gods masterpiece’s which is mankind”
                      See? That’s what this God does when his creature exercise his (fake) free will. What’s the point of such a free will if you do something against the will of this God you will end up being crushed and being throwed way?
                      “Worldly Nature is Satan’s Nature” So, if it is his nature, then God made him this way. Now God wants to crush him for being exactly the way he is? If “God hates sin” why did he createded Satan with the hability to create sin in the first place? And allowed him to corrupt mankind?
                      “Christ is the only Man who was perfect” then why did he doubted when he was in the cross? Hesitation is part of perfection? It doesn’t seem much of a perfection to me.
                      I read the entire of your messages, but seems you didn’t read mine. I still have no acceptable answer for why masturbation and lust is not of God’s approval if he made us just this way: sexual beings with sexual desire. Blaming Satan or ourselves because he gave us a twisted free will was not even close to clarify that. It just points to a God who seem to have psychiatric disorders, like psychotic person, teasing people, giving them something he condems if they we express it.

                    13. You have no control over your lust because you walk according to the flesh, not to the spirit. We all need food to live, but food can be used wrongly. Some people don’t eat to live they live to eat and consequently get fat.That’s called gluttony Same with sex, there’s a right and wrong way to use it. God created it to be between a man and women in the confines of marriage. All sex outside of this is sin, including masturbation.

                      What you don’t realise is that masturbation gives a portal for demonic entities to take control of your life. You cannot serve the spirit and the flesh at the same time. The bible says whoever commits sin becomes a slave to sin and a slave will not abide in the house forever.

  18. “The devil tempting me”
    Man religion is so fucked up

    Neither of those girls will be virgins when they’re married. I’d bet my bank account on it-
    In fact the one with a nose ring is definitely a freak when it’s time to get down to business

  19. Matthew 5:28
    ‭But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.‭

    now according to Merriam Webster dictionary here is the definition of the word “lust”

    lust (def.): a strong feeling of sexual desire

    now according to Jesus-Christ our Lord and Savior, if you have a strong feeling of sexual desire (lust) when you look at a woman you have already committed adultery with her in your heart.

    now, do you have a strong feeling of sexual desire (lust) when you look at a woman (whether you are masturbating, watching porn, looking at a picture, thinking about a woman in your head, looking at the woman that is in front of you,etc)?

    if your answer is yes; according to Jesus-Christ you are committing adultery with that woman in your heart.

    now according to the Word of God in the king james Bible “adultery” is a sin.

    here is the solution God gave us because we are sinners:

    Romans 6:23
    ‭For the wages of sin ‭is‭ death; but the gift of God ‭is‭ eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.‭
    Romans 10:9
    ‭That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.‭
    Colossians 1:14
    ‭In whom we have redemption through his blood, ‭even‭ the forgiveness of sins:‭

    1John 1:5
    ‭This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.‭ 1John 1:6
    ‭If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:‭ 1John 1:7
    ‭But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.‭ 1John 1:8
    ‭If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.‭ 1John 1:9
    ‭If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us ‭our‭ sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.‭
    1John 1:10
    ‭If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.‭

  20. i am Atheist and I think sex is something you should wait for. but masturbating is fucking awesome.

    i mean everyone has their own opinion and everyone can do whatever they want. its just my side of view

  21. I can’t wait to have sex. I seriously cannot wait. I think it’s going to be awesome.

    Poor girl. You are a victim of your pagan religion. You should be having sex now. There is nothing emotionally healthy about not having sex. they have you focused on the wrong thing. You should be looking to find a man who has repented and keeps the 10 commandments.

        1. i am talking about the fact that they make sex a sin, which it is not, but when it comes to real sin, breaking the 10 commandments they reject keeping them saying they are not under law. I feel sorry for this woman. They had no right to embarrass her like this.

          I am so glad Elohim called me out of this pagan religion.

  22. The guy is trolling Christian white girls to get a hit if he interviews enough he will.

    BlahBlahBlah…..BuBlahBlaaah…. nigga thinkin’ how can l get some young white girl christian virgin stink on this hood sausage..

  23. Sexually repressed Christians are not honest. Girls talk about this stuff, but sure not in front of strangers on camera. I was a victim of this as well growing up, if parents were less repressive, there wouldn’t be a many girls losing all inhibitions when they get to college.

  24. Wow this girls are talking so openly and beautifully, that is just so cool. First thay have this beautiful opinions and secondly they speaking about it so nicely, giving reasons why they doing it (or more like not doing it) and I love it.. great support for us others! :)

  25. But I also think that when I’m in a position to have sex, the person I will be having sex with, I will love him so much… and waiting for them and them getting to be the person who I consummate love with will be one of the greatest expressions of love I have for them and will be an experience that they have with me that will be unique to them.

    I feel so bad being a guy hearing ger talk. Honey all we guys want is to fuck you not have a magical love thing.

  26. But I also think that when I’m in a position to have sex, the person I will be having sex with, I will love him so much… and waiting for them and them getting to be the person who I consummate love with will be one of the greatest expressions of love I have for them and will be an experience that they have with me that will be unique to them.

    I like the girl idea …so lovely and real truth …good view girls change the society in your way…sex is not only a cheep enjoy is a great thing that we have use to make our partnerlife memorable and awesome …trusting each other.

  27. As a little baby, I loved slapping my sibling. I loved it. It’s great. We all love it.

    this girl is fucking retarded and have serious mental problems

          1. Maybe because those young people were taught their bodies were sinful and that contraceptives and any sexual education was an evil commie plot created by the Liberal media.

            And these same religious whack jobs who perpetuate these falsehoods cause more damage rather then actually try and solve the problem by having an open and honest discussion with these young people who find themselves in trouble because they weren’t taught contraceptives or any sexual education.

            It’s like with anything else in life. Education is the key. The more knowledge a person has the more informed and the more “armored” and prepared they are for life.

            You don’t hand a child a loaded gun and let them run off. You don’t hand over the keys to the car to someone who has never been taught anything about automobiles.

            So WHY would you NOT want to instruct young people about STDs, contraceptives, and sex education?

            It is absolutely insane that you and people like you are blaming young people for having sex when their hormones and nature has already instilled (or programmed for all you tech people) them with this desire. And yet you and people like you take no accountability to instruct young people other then tell them abstinence only.

            That’s basically leaving the gun right on the table hoping the little kid(s) don’t pick it up and start playing with it just because you told them one time not to.

            1. So in your world sins of the flesh are not sins and should hold no consequences ? where as Christians believe without a commitment to your wife/husband and god, fleshly lust is sinful. The last 40 years or so we have been living under liberal ideology. So, always going by what fruits your deeds bare. Do you say young people today are better off today having a stable family life no children out of wedlock low divorce rates because of al this knowledge we now how.? What fruits has modern times gave us ?

              1. Wow.. okay, that’s a jumbled mess of assertions you just made there.

                First off, organized belief in unproven fantasies is a mental illness.

                If Adam and Eve were naughty for eating the fruit wouldn’t it be your god’s fault for creating them that way?

                Church is theater that requires the suspension of disbelief. Just like the movies. Or a bedtime story. Or an insurance salesman. An insurance salesman tells you stories that scare you into signing. The preacher scares you into his flock.

                Your god had this one chance to create the earth and look what he did.. so even if he is proven real, I wouldn’t have any respect for it.

                He should have at least created another perfect earth to show us as an example.. A college kid starting as an entry level software programmer would design better.

                What’s the difference between a Christian and a Buddhist ?

                One (Christians) needs a crutch and the other (Buddhists) takes responsibility for their own life.

                Remember: god loves you. in fact, he loves you soooooo much that he created the most unbearable place imaginable to put you for all eternity just in case you didn’t love him back.

                Doesn’t it strike you at all odd that the most perfect, all good, all powerful being in the universe has the emotional maturity of a petulant 5 year old?

                There is absolutely no difference between that and the guy who murders his wife and says “look, I didn’t end her life. She chose that for her when she decided to have sex with my neighbor. I told her what would happen if she ever did. The blame is on her”

                That is the moral equivalence. If god existed, and he said “if you don’t believe in me and do exactly as I say when your alive, then I’m not going to allow you into heaven and you’ll go to hell” then no matter what moral hoops you want to jump through, he is sending you to hell. Full stop. And to suggest anything other then that is being intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt.

                Next, when you and people like you say “Liberal” you mean the people who are FOR Freedom of Speech, equality for women and minorities, pro-science, pro-choice, healthcare for everyone, better education for children, cleaner environment, raising the minimum wage, rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, regulating the banks and Wall Street, ending bullshit wars, and better foreign relations, just to name a few.

                You know… all the things Republicans and Tea Baggers hate.

                Yes, I do say young people are much better off now then they were centuries ago because they have access to more education and healthcare then they did before. Unfortunately you and people like you deny them access to that education and access to healthcare because it goes against your religion.

                Religion has provided nothing to help progress humanity.

                Science has provided practically everything.

                Religion is a system based on lies from the first question asked. So the only thing that can come out of such a system is more lies. Religious people are habitual liars. It is what they are committed to. No surprise here.

    1. It can’t be all that good if you believe in a Celestial Dictator who has you on 24 hour surveillance and who will judge for thought crimes (even your dreams). And if found guilty will send you to a fiery dungeon where you will be tortured FOREVER. Sort of the afterlife’s version of a Nazi concentration camp. When did god turn into Heinrich Himmler?

      1. He gives you choice to do what you want. It’s not his fault you choose the wrong path. Don’t be stupid, Thank god he gave us another chance after screwing up the first time.

        1. It’s most definitely NOT choice.

          Let’s try and look at it in this way:

          According to that philosophy there’s an all-powerful, all-knowing deity who randomly tests vastly inferior creatures for no apparent reason other then just because he can.

          And the criteria for passing (or failing) these tests is so arbitrary because the inferior beings have no way of knowing what exactly is the correct answer.

          And they can’t say it’s clearly stated in the bible because that book has so many contradictions, and there’s so many variants. There’s over 10,000 denominations of Christians. Even among you people you all can’t agree on which is the right way to worship your asshole god.

          But if they choose badly they get sent to a fiery dungeon where they will spend all eternity being tortured FOREVER.

          That would make your god a capricious asshole who is no better then a kid with a magnifying glass burning insects in the backyard.

          These religious people are assuming that a supernatural being who …has an intellect on an order of magnitude so far beyond human level of understanding views right and wrong the same way as humans do.

          A being who can supposedly encompass the entire cosmos and whose intellect spans millennia would in no way concern itself with the drama of human history when that would be like the space between eye blinks to a being that is eternal.

          It would be like saying a human being would be so engrossed in the second by second interactions of a sand particle being blown across the surface of Pluto instead of tending to his or her own daily life, family and work.

          And why is that?

          Do you care if you step on an ant or swat a mosquito? And those are just the things we can see.

          What about all the tiny microbes that exist all around us and inside us that we can’t see (without special equipment)?

          And if your god is a being that encompasses the entirety of all universes then human beings wouldn’t even rate as tiny microbes in the grand scheme of things.

          Human beings with their short life spans and even shorter existence compared to the universe would be of such low importance since their existence wouldn’t even register to a being who is outside the boundaries of measuring time.

          And what exactly do they mean when they say that god is testing people?

          You only test something when you don’t know the answer to something.

          But according to their religion god already knows what a person is going to do before they do it. He knew what they were going to do before they were even born. Before their parents were born. Before the human race was created, the planet was formed, the solar system, the galaxy, the universe and the entirety of creation ever appeared.

          1. It’s pretty simple, avoid sin according to the bible. Put god first, The only way not to know how to please god is to not know the bible. If you read the bible you’ll get a pretty good understanding of what he is asking of us. And to top it of Jesus came as a living example on how to live life.

            1. I have read your bible.

              And my question to anyone else who has also read the bible and think that the god character as portrayed in there is anything but a vile, wicked, disgusting and morally bankrupt, psychotic being?

              Not only that but Why Did Jesus Die for my Sins?

              Basically the idea is that I should love Jesus because Jesus loves me. And how did he supposedly show me that love? Well he supposedly sacrificed himself by being tortured then killed. He was supposedly beaten then nailed to a cross and then died for my sins to show me that he loves me.

              So, if you believe this I have some questions for you:

              First, what was wrong with the old system?

              If you remember from the Old Testament if you committed a sin you sacrificed an animal and that was the atonement for your sins.

              So what was wrong with that? Why did god set that system up only to change his mind later?

              Second, why a blood sacrifice?

              I mean your god is all-knowing, all-powerful, all everything. So, then he could literally do anything else to show his love. So, why didn’t he? This is a system he set up with a solution for atonement that he came to.

              And how does that show that he loves me?

              Imagine if you have a spouse who loves you and who had all the money, power and influence in all the world. And for your birthday to show you that s/he loves you decided to hire somebody to beat him to death. Then leaves a note stating that s/he was killed because s/he loves you.

              All I could really think of after that is three things:

              One – what was your mental problem that you thought this was ever an option?

              Two – what did I do to make you think that I wanted you to die for me as some form of recompense?

              Three – You could have done literally ANYTHING ELSE. Why is this the ONLY way that you can show me that you love me?

              So, again, what was wrong with the old system? Why was a blood sacrifice necessary? Couldn’t he have just given me a cookie and high five me or something ANYTHING other then a really narcissistic decision to go on a psychotic suicide mission?

              1. Jesus did everything as an example, like getting baptized even though he didn’t need to. He did that to set an example for how we should live. He sacrificed his flesh as a symbol that we should deny our flesh our sinful nature and pick up the cross. Everything god does has a purpose. God destroyed man in the flood because they became so wicked. And in Jesus day they were starting to become wick like the days of Noah. So Jesus came down to sacrifice himself so he wouldn’t have to destroy man again. That sacrifice covers a multitude of sin. We are lucky to be born after the sacrifice, Before it we had to sacrifice our selves.

                1. Do you even realize that if it wasn’t for the Genesis account and the fall of mankind that there would be no reason for Jesus to even exists and wouldn’t that be the most important thing in the bible?

                  Some people who need encouragement read the bible and other people just go and have a drink.

                  Skepticism is two fold: there is philosophical skepticism and then there is scientific skepticism. The philosophical skepticism is the idea that we should not believe things until there is sufficient evidence for them. And the application for that would be the scientific skepticism which is to come up with a mechanism by which we can establish the truth of claims to the best of our ability and understanding. It involves the tools of science and critical thinking. It does not involve “Hey, I got a feeling and I’m just going to go ahead and use the fallacy or make some kind of fallacious argument that causation or a truth by focusing on what hits and ignoring all the misses.

                  Why argue with people who can randomly use magic to cover up holes in their beliefs? I’ve spoken to creationists who believe that god magically sealed holes in the ark with a snap of his invisible magical fingers. At that point you just have to give up and go your separate ways.

                  It’s like arguing with a 2 year old about their imaginary friends; if they’re not bound by any sort of firm logical foundation, then they have effectively given themselves license to be as arbitrary as their infantile wits can muster.

                  1. carnal thinking is good for worldly knowledge. But you cannot get to a spiritual place by using your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5 ”Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding”

                    1. “One ring to rule them all. One ring to find them. One ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.”

                      See, I can quote from fantasy stories too.

                      Quoting the bible isn’t going to get you anywhere because you still haven’t proved why should I, why should anyone, believe anything from a book of fairy stories made up of bits and pieces stolen from other peoples’ religion?

                    2. You’re asking me to prove through logic how god is real while the only way you can get to god is through faith. Bible says without faith it is impossible to serve god. I doubt that you actually want proof of god. More or less you want to try to discredit god and his word because there is something in it that you are doing that you want to continue to do and feel it’s ok to do it. In other words kill your continuous. Either that or try to put doubt in others minds in hopes of deceiving people away from the word. Satan oldest playbook.

                    3. Incorrect again, what a surprise.

                      You cannot know anything on faith. By definition. Faith tells you nothing.

                      Religious beliefs ARE founded on myths. If they are not myths, where is the evidence that they are true and real? nearly all cultures on earth invented god/s for one reason or another and they all make outrageous claims.

                      How are the Christian, Jewish or Islamic faiths any different from Mayan, Hawaiian, Incan, Norse, Roman or Greek myths?

                      THEY ARE NOT! There is no soul. You mistake that for your consciousness. It sounds like your problem is that you don’t want to accept that one day you will die and there will be no time, no consciousness and not even the memory of ever having lived. It will be just like the void before your birth when there was nothing and it seemed like life began with your birth.

                      As for your pitiful attempt to bring Satan into the equation here’s my question for you on that subject:

                      Is Satan more powerful then your god?

                      If the answer is no then nothing Satan can do can possibly inconvenience, interfere, upset, thwart or interrupt your god’s plans in any way, shape or form.

                      If the answer is anything else, then your god is NOT all powerful so then why are you worshipping it?

                      My atheism is a conclusion based on scientific findings whereas your Christianity is, in fact, opinions without any evidence. It isn’t even practical.

                    4. Ah, Pascal’s Wager.

                      See, here’s the problem with that bullshit argument: If there is a god and when I die and I am forced to stand before it and it asks me why I didn’t believe in it I can honestly answer because there wasn’t sufficient evidence.

                      You, on the other hand, have no such excuse. You choose to believe out of fear and ignorance. And if you’re wrong by choosing to believe in the wrong god you are the one who is going to be sent to hell.

                      Definition of stupid: Knowing the truth, seeing the truth, but still believing in lies.

                      Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.

                      Common sense is like deodorant. The people who need it most never use it.

                      And then God sprinkled dinosaur bones everywhere because he thought it would be funny.

                    5. LOL! Sorry dude that’s not how god works. Matthew 10:33 But whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven”.The MAIN ingredient on how to get to heaven is believing in god without evidence. And as the good book says ”faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen;”

                    6. Oh, and you know how an omnipotent being works?

                      There goes that arrogance again.

                      Belief without evidence is plain gullibility. It is no different then people who believed in Zeus, Thor or the Loch Ness monster.

                      Unless you can provide evidence that your invisible, imaginary friend is real without referencing the bible or some personal anecdote that someone somewhere had that cannot possibly be verified then you have no leg to stand on.

                    7. Sorry but without faith you cannot find god. You are again trying to use carnal measures to get to spiritual places. I think if people are wise enough they can look around and see an intelligent design.

                    8. Yes, human beings with intelligence designed the things that you and people like you take for granted every day.

                      Tell you what.. why not put your money where your mouth is?

                      Since your god is so powerful and humans are such inferior beings you have to give up everything that human beings invented such as clothes, house, technology, automobiles, medicine, and anything else made by and created by people because all that was done with science.

                      Instead you just have to pray for all your needs and let me know when those prayers are all answered.

                      I’ll be waiting for your response on that one.

                    9. lol, God gave man the knowledge to make and invent all those things. Without god there is nothing. We live in a natural world where we need food water an things. Even Jesus used them when he was here and he was god. But lets see how useful those things are in gods kingdom. God is very important in heaven and earth. Science is only needed on earth.

                    10. It’s amazing how you and people like you perform these mental gymnastics in order to square this circle.

                      If you and people like you put as much energy into education as you do in your made up fairy tales you would be able to find a cure for cancer, eliminate poverty, create cheap, limitless energy and end warfare.

                    11. I would rather focus on eternity then being able to live an extra 20 years of life. We are here as punishment for our sins. People of the world try to make this god forsaken place there paradise. When it like them will come to nothing but a flame in the night sky.

                    12. No, people like you try to make this world a “god forsaken place” with your fanatical devotion to your cult of death.

                      And it shows how evil you and people like you actually are when you care more about death and what you think happens after death then focusing on the present and trying to make the present world a better place.

                    13. Think that’s a case of people in the last days calling good evil and evil good. The spiritual go after the spirit the world follows the world.John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

                    14. Incorrect again (what a surprise).

                      John was not the author of The Gospel according to John (there were no autographed copies) and he did not write Revelations.

                      The traditional view that Jesus’s disciple John wrote the Book of Revelation was questioned as early as the third century. Christian writer Dionysus of Alexandria, using the critical methods still employed by modern scholars, spotted the difference between the elegant Greek of John’s gospel and the crudely ungrammatical prose of Revelation. The works could not have been written by the same person.

                      Dionysus noted that the John of Revelation identifies himself in the work, while the John of the gospel does not. He argued that the two men simply shared the same name.

                      Contemporary scholars have added their own insights into the problem. It is now theorized that the real author was a Jew who opposed the Pauline version of Christianity, with its Gentile elements and Torah-free salvation. The author calls a Pauline church in Smyrna a “synagogue of Satan” and a female leader of another in Thyatira “Jezebel.” In short, he was not someone we would call Christian today.

                      In fact, Revelation might have been originally written even before Christianity. References to Jesus Christ would then have been inserted only later to Christianize the document. These are mostly clustered around chapters 1 and 22, with just a scattering elsewhere.

                      Surprisingly, these verses can be removed without disturbing the structure and flow of the surrounding verses, keeping the meaning and sense of the text intact. This suggests that the original Book of Revelation had nothing at all to do with Jesus.

                      Religious beliefs ARE founded on myths. If they are not myths, where is the evidence that they are true and real? Nearly all cultures on earth invented god/s for one reason or another and they all make outrageous claims.

                    15. lol, sound like you got ahold of a lot of crap and hear say. Bible speaks more then just the book of john about not being from the world the world. Romans:12-2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God …

                    16. Pot meet kettle.

                      You also keep forgetting or just deliberately ignoring that your bible is a collection of stories stolen from bits and pieces from other peoples’ religions.

                    17. Yeah, Deference is gods word stood the test of time. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. His word stood because god was the foundation. Others had worldly foundations and returned like man to the dust of the ground.

                    18. Incorrect again (what a surprise).

                      When you say “his word stood the test of time” do you mean all the bits and pieces that were stolen from other peoples’ religion to create your completely fabricated religion?

                      Because there are other written works that have been around for A LOT longer then your bible. The Code of Hammurabi for instance.

                    19. 10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
                      11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. 12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron’s rod swallowed up their rods”. That’s what happened to those other religions.

                    20. Moses Did Not Write The Pentateuch

                      Jews and Christians widely believe that Moses wrote the first five books in the Bible. Beginning with some medieval rabbis, however, doubts about this claim have been raised. As an obvious starting point, Moses could not have written Deuteronomy 34:5–10, which speaks about his death. But this glaring inconsistency is just the beginning.

                      The books contain anachronisms that Moses could not have written. Genesis 36, for example, lists Edomite kings who lived long after Moses died. The Philistines are mentioned in Genesis, yet they did not arrive in Canaan until 1200 B.C., after the time of Moses.

                      Genesis 12:6 implies that the author was writing after the Canaanites had been driven out of the region, something that didn’t happen until the time of Moses’s successor Joshua. Similarly, a clue in Genesis 36:31 suggests that the text was written when Israel was already a monarchy. Genesis 24 mentions domesticated camels, but camels were not domesticated until much later. The caravan trade in Genesis 37:25 only flourished in the eighth and seventh centuries B.C.

                      An early explanation for these textual anomalies was that Moses wrote the core of the Pentateuch, but later editors, such as Ezra, made additions. But in 1670, the philosopher Baruch Spinoza first proposed that Moses did not pen any of these books at all. It was common practice in the ancient Near East to attribute a work to an ancestral hero, or even a god, to legitimize its message and contents. That is most likely what happened here.

                      You still fail to prove that the bible is anything other then a collection of stories that have been seriously edited by other people.

                    21. I do know this, it doesn’t matter if he wrote it or not. If god wanted to get his word out he could have use a donkey. But I do find it amusing how you keep trying to attack the bible because you don’t like the message it brings. Still haven’t told me what’s in it that you don’t like. You’re not a feminist so that’s not it. Have to be one of those homos.

                    22. And here the religious fanatic does his backpedalling.

                      Teach a man to fish and he will eat forever…teach a man religion and he never thinks for himself again.

                      He can’t defend his faith with evidence so he goes on the usual bigoted tirade that is so common among True Believers.

                      Definition of stupid: Knowing the truth, seeing the truth, but still believing in lies.

                      And what message does you bible bring?

                      Atheist question god exists. That’s all. Religion kills people for not believing.

                      My atheism is a conclusion based on scientific findings whereas your Christianity is, in fact, opinions without any evidence. It isn’t even practical.

                      I get involved against believers (christians, jews, muslims, mainly) because they violate freedom.

                      They always try to influence laws to their advantage, ban books, ban movies, ban music and even ban the rights of others. I understand that their faith gives them comfort…. I GET IT …

                      However, one has to draw a line in the sand and push them back when they start interfering with our life and our progress with their superstition nonsense and myths that they have no evidence for.

                      Why doesn’t God reveal himself now? There’s never been a better time: more people are literate, we have better technology and modes of transportation: trains, planes etc. which means people can travel all over the world. The internet means people can watch events happening on the other side of the world in their living room, and with cameras all over the place combined with social media he could reach billions of people in a matter of minutes. If our purpose in life is to do his bidding, why the fuck doesn’t he tell us what we’re supposed to be doing? If I wanted someone to do something for me I’d tell them what I wanted them to do. I wouldn’t go to the lone nut sitting in the corner, whisper some bullshit in his ear and then ask him to be my messenger to the world.

                    23. Sorry there really isn’t much that is banned today on the account of religion in the US, But people try to ban any influence that is faith base. They ban pray because it might offended someone. At the same to are all for gay pride parades an don’t care if it offended people that have beliefs that are against it. They tell Christians to keep it to themselves while holding parades for the other side. But anyway, god tells us what he wants of us, you just have to read the bible. If god reviled himself to us everyone would serve him because they would fear for there lives. That would not be free will. The ONLY way freewill can work is with a level playing field. Carnal mind uses logic, but the bible tells man to not lean to his own under standing. It says there is a way that seems right unto man but those ways are death. Spiritual death is what it’s talking about. That’s why you see atheist talk about facts and figures, They have no spiritual mind.

                    24. Incorrect again (what a surprise).

                      A lot of times I hear this bullshit argument about free will, and that god couldn’t possibly demonstrate himself to us obviously because he requires that we have faith, or this demonstration of blind faith.

                      First of all, wow… for something that is supposedly omnipotent and omniscient certainly doesn’t need to make such an odd set of rules.

                      But the idea that we couldn’t possibly still have free will if we knew that god existed is absolutely refuted by the fact that Satan, by Christian theocracy or Christian Dogma, has absolute knowledge of god and yet refused him and turned his back on god.

                      So, the free will argument for the belief in god is completely unfounded.

                      Does Satan have free will? That’s the question.

                      If the argument is that god gave us all free will because he doesn’t want robots. That’s why he made it so it’s not absolutely clear to everyone that god exists. He set things up that way on purpose so that we have free will to either believe in him or not. Right?

                      If Satan has free will, and if the argument is true, if he knows that god exists that would mean that he wouldn’t have the free will to reject god.

                      Satan turned his back on god.

                      Therefore a human being, with clear knowledge of the existence of god could do the same thing.

                      So, how do you explain that your god doesn’t bother to make his existence just as clear to humankind? So that everybody would know.

                      And also by you saying NOT to use logic.. wow… just wow.

                      You’re basically saying NOT to use your brain/intelligence to solve problems.

                      Congratulations. You’ve just admitted you’d rather be a complete retard instead of a thinking person.

                    25. Sorry but your argument is flawed , Lucifer was not a person he was a high ranking angle who thought he could over throw god. Satan even had a 3rd of the angels on his side. That’s how powerful of a deceiver he is.. He is more powerful then natural man He is deceiving many atheist today like he did the angels in heaven. So my statement stands.

                    26. Incorrect again (what a surprise).

                      Is Satan more powerful then your god?

                      If the answer is no then nothing Satan can do can possibly inconvenience, interfere, upset, thwart or interrupt your god’s plans in any way, shape or form.

                      If the answer is anything else, then your god is NOT all powerful so then why are you worshipping it?

                      Dear delusional Christians, if god knows everything why did he create an angel destined for evil and why did it take Satan one day to turn men into sin while it took an ALL POWERFUL GOD thousands of years to come up with a temporary solution?

                      One of many arguments I hear that always baffles me is the “we cannot fully understand god, therefore we cannot make judgments on his actions,” which is used to justify god’s atrocities in the bible. Could it be any easier to spot an obvious motive to manipulate rather than to rationally justify? How powerful indoctrination can be is so disturbing.

                      They (Christians) have ridiculous misconceptions about us atheists:
                      1. that we hate god (how does one hate something that does not exist?)
                      2. That we worship the devil (we don’t believe in the devil either by the way.)
                      3. That we have no morals (we don’t need a fake god to know right from wrong. By the way 90% of the prison population is either Christian or believe in some higher spiritual power).
                      4. That something horrible happened to us in order to abandon god. (ridiculous and arrogant presumption since our conclusions are rational).

                      What is amusing is that religious nut jobs reject science as just “opinions” as opposed to the factual conclusions based on investigations and hard work, but they believe in all of the outrageous claims and myths from the bible without a shred of evidence.

                    27. What does god’s power have to do with free will ? God will not use his power to make you serve him. You have to come to him willingly. And no Satan is not more powerful then god. That’s the reason god was powerful enough to throw him out of heaven. Atheist everyone that I’ve seen are angry an bitter and think they are a lot smarter then what they are. And 9 times out of 10 they have a reason for not wanting to believe the bible. If the bible was all about do whatever you want and you’ll go to heaven anyway, bet most atheist would be fine with it. The word is like a sword and people want to do whatever they feel like doing. That’s worldly nature, And most people rather feed there flesh then there spirit.

                    28. Incorrect again (what a surprise).

                      According to your bullshit religion your god’s power has EVERYTHING to do with it. Otherwise the whole basis for believing in your invisible, imaginary sky genie would be rendered moot.

                      No, the atheists you’ve probably met are annoyed with people like you pushing your bullshit beliefs on them.

                      Incorrect again about the 9 times out of 10. No one wants someone else’s fairy stories and outlandish claims forced on them. Would you like some other person’s religion forced on you and for you to be told that you were worshipping a false god ONLY because you didn’t believe in that other person’s god?

                      Which begs the question if no one told you that the bible stories were no different then any other fairy story would you be able to tell the difference?

                      Could you tell the difference?

                    29. Gods power has absolute nothing to do with free will. Why is it ok to force people to believe in crap like homosexual life styles but when it comes to god, oh dear!! we can’t have that. And yes you can tell gods word is correct. Like I’ve said know them by there fruits. And the bibles word/fruits have always lead me in the right direction.

                    30. Excuse you, but I have free will because (paradoxically) I have no choice.

                      Your god CANNOT give people free will because then that would be a contradiction.

                      And WHY are YOU so fascinated with homosexuals and their lifestyle? Is there something you are hiding that maybe you wish to discuss with a trained professional?

                      Incorrect again on your gods words because you STILL have yet to prove their validity. And NO, using the bible to prove the bible is true is a bullshit argument.

                      Really? The bibles words have “always” led you in the right direction? Such as….?

                    31. I’ve noticed your response are read like a script, First say how wrong I am, then attack the source. Then Ask me to explain why this or that is so. Just because you don’t like what I’m saying doesn’t make it wrong. And you have yet to come up with anything that stick on why the bible isn’t accurate. You basically are running in circles with no substance. Tell me how his giving free will is against his own word. ?

                    32. Excuse you, but I have pointed out (multiple times already) how exceedingly inaccurate and contradictory your bible is and you STILL ask for more examples? No. Do your own work you lazy bum.

                      And no, you are the one running around in circles with your fingers in your ears going “la la la la” refusing to hear the truth like any other petulant child throwing a tantrum.

                      And you cannot give someone something and then say they did it themselves. Which is exactly what you’re doing with this whole free will argument.

                      As far as reading from a script you mean like how buttholes like you can quote chapter and verse from a book of fairy tales then get annoyed when the same is done to you?

                    33. That’s what I thought a lot of hot air with no substance. Telling someone the bible isn’t accurate because you’re not sure who wrote the books of the bible isn’t squat. If there are a lot of religions that have similar stories like the flood there maybe be a reason for that. Like it actually happened and a lot of people wrote about it. Get right with the lord before it’s to late.

                    34. And that’s exactly what I pointed out. A person who deliberately chooses to remain ignorant, refuses to accept FACTS and then cries like a little girl with scraped knee because he doesn’t have a single shred of evidence to back up his outlandish claims.

                      Incorrect again (what a surprise) about the flood story.

                      First off, the fairy tale of Noah’s Ark and the flood was straight up lifted from another fairy tale Gilgamesh and ancient Akkadian story.

                      Religion: Comedy for the intelligent; reality for the ignorant!!

                      Rules of bible quoting:

                      Whenever a bible passage can be used to support someone’s belief, hatred or bigotry, that passage is clear, stands on its own, and does not depend on any other context or special interpretation.

                      Whenever someone points out any of the hundreds of bible passages showing god literally ordering or approving killing of children, raping of young girls, correct treatment of slaves, death penalty for minor infractions, and genocide, the proper response is

                      (pick one or more of the following):

                      1. It is taken out of context
                      2. Can only be understood by special understanding of context
                      3. The OT is not relevant
                      4. God can’t be understood by humans
                      5. This is selective quoting
                      6. The quoter doesn’t understand the bible
                      7. god didn’t say that, he was “misquoted”
                      8. god meant some special application, such as to Israelites or ancient clergy, etc.

                      Here are your claims:

                      1. The Catholic Bible is the same as it has been for over 1600 years <<< Irrelevant. It was wrong 1600 years ago, and it's wrong now.

                      2. Most historians would acknowledge Christian martyrs in the mid-1st Century <<<< Irrelevant. Future historians will acknowledge Islamist martyrs in the 20th and 21st centuries This says nothing about the truth or falseness of Islam.

                      3. that Jesus was crucified and died, <<<< Please cite sources since there is no evidence of this that most historians, if they offer a view at all, will record this as an unknown. It's also irrelevant as the point at issue is not Jesus' existence but the belated claims of his divinity.

                      4. that Jesus' tomb was empty a few days after his death <<<<< This is a claim, not a fact. Even if it was empty that does not indicate resurrection, it indicates theft.

                      5. the early (Christian) followers believed in his resurrection. <<< They may well have. They also believed in a flat Earth, animal sacrifice as a way to cure leprosy and stars fixed to a metallic sky. If they believed this it was because resurrection is a common theme in mythology.

                      I could grant all 5 of your claims and it still doesn't add up to evidence of a deity.

                    35. Atheist population in the world 136,582,200 Christianity 2.2 billion. Looks like the serpent atheist lay down has been ate. About god taking lives, God will destroy the body to save the soul. Life is something god gave he also can take it. Atheist act like god doesn’t have the authority to life and death when he is the giver of it. As far as Jesus tomb being empty, thousands of people saw him after he was crucified.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_appearances_of_Jesus

                      Not just a couple people Animal sacrifice went out after Jesus became the sacrifice. If a Christian believes in animal sacrifice then he doesn’t believe in Jesus crucifixion. Again you are missing the point, if god showed himself as evidence then free will would go out the door. Man would be so intimidated they would follow him strictly out of fear. It would be like if you forced a woman to marry you because you had a shot gun at her back. We are the bride of Christ, but we must come willingly.

  28. It will be the best when I have a husband who I can give myself to…

    Sex existed before marriage, and marriage existed before Christianity. Please explain to me how sex is immoral.

  29. Well, at least they know that the first time will probably be awkward. You have modern-day Pharisees convincing some of them that their marriages will be perfect as long as they marry with their hymens intact.

  30. These girls will marry the first guy that is willing to have sex with them, have a bad marriage, and get divorced. People should not wait until marriage to have sex. This is stupid.

    1. Actually, statistically speaking, people that wait til they’re married have a much higher chance of staying married then those who didn’t wait til they were married. So your point is inaccurate.

      1. Also statistically speaking, Christians that attend church once weekly are more likely to stay married. I doubt that proves anything except they’re scared of divorce and live through unhappy marriages, which renders your point null. Also statistically, those that marry young have a 1 in 3 likelihood that they’re going to get a divorce, those that wait until 35 have a 1 in 5 rate. I think that says much more about marital satisfaction than your point, making my point quite accurate. Know your facts, +Rob Hendrick

        1. They take vows seriously. And its true that many of them are sticking to miserable marriages. Many of them are able to work through their problems and end up happy together. There are also plenty of people I know who have great marriages. Unfortunately, our society tells people that everything is about ourselves. True love is about patients, forgiveness, and it sticking through the hard times. It’s not about giving up when you get sick of each other.

          1. Moving. But that still doesn’t negate my point that marrying young and under false pretenses does not lead to happiness and is proven to end unsucessfully 33% of the time. You have not countered my statement.

              1. staying in marriage doesn’t prove that people are happy in that relationship. Talking as a molecular biolog and geneticist, sex is non essential to living but a natural thing. However, marriage is a sociocultural concept that is emerged from cultre, custom and tradition. It doesn’t exist in any part of the nature. Marriage exist because we give meaning to the marriage. We define it as a norm in our society that marriage is a must if 2 opposite sex want to live together. Marriage is a thing that related to our perception, and does not have a meaning out of this perception. Like religions, they are meaningless too if we stop caring for them. 🙂

                  1. You know that’s not true. At least, if you understand statistics and their meaning, you would know that’s not true. There is no proof that being married to an opposite-sex hetero partner results in children with higher grades, fewer mental problems, less crime, etc. Stats don’t lie.

                    But religion does! Religion wants marriage to be uniquely theirs, designed by god to protect families and blah blah blah. And religion spends lots of time and lots of money ensuring those NOT in their brainwashed cults think the same way.

                    Marriage is not natural, it is not normal, and it is not permanent.

                    1. It is not natural for the flesh because of our sin. There is statistics on poverty and children that grow up to be criminals are from broken homes. Not saying this is always the case. But if many people wonder why a higher percentage of blacks live in poverty and get involved with crime than whites, it has nothing to do with race. Of you take the number of children growing up in fatherless homes the rates are near the same in all races.

                    2. Sin: not a real thing. That was invented by religion. The reason marriage is not natural has nothing to do with a pretend sin situation that I personally have nothing to do with still weighing on my final judgement (which is also made up, there is no final judgement); the reason it is not natural is because humans invented it as a way to keep societies and cultures in check. Animals don’t do it, only humans. It’s a human activity.

                      The statistics on poverty/broken homes go on to explain how there is usually a root cause to the poverty and abuse the children receive that cause the negative behavior. Simply being fatherless, poor, and black are not contributors. However, let’s assume everything you’re saying is 100% right, how does waiting until you are married to have sex make for a better marriage when all it does is lead to YOUNGER marriages, marriages which are more likely to fail? Marriages which are more likely to end in a broken home?

                      All an abstinence before marriage program promotes is marrying young, nothing else. Young adults want to have sex, that is biological. I would think religion would want to inform their youth of the dangers of marrying young, that marrying so you can finally have sex is the wrong reason, and that everything they have done to promote family values is backwards. The right way is through education, and letting people make their own decisions. Oh, and that god is imaginary.

                    3. Our society is falling apart, not getting better. Crime rates are going up. I believe it is because the family units are falling apart. The government is telling us that they are the parents and the god of this country. To me they are just power hungry politicians helping to build a new world order. Not all politicians, just those at the very top in both parties.

                      As for sin, anything that is against the will of God is sin. If you don’t believe in God, that’s up to you. Originally, man was created good, but rebelled against God. We now have a nature of sin. This is a belief according to the Bible. It is either true or not. If there is no sin, and no God, and I am wrong, then my eternal state is just fine. But if you are wrong, you are in trouble!

                      Personally, I don’t want to believe because I would rather live for myself. I want sexual freedom! But I can’t overlook the evidence that the complexities of this universe are such that my brain tells me it was designed. Common sense sayd that non living objects can never bring forth living beings.

                      Unfortunately, your views is overtaking this world. I believe that western civilization was built upon biblical principles. It is now being torn apart by new age philosophies!

                    4. I love when people post the things you do!!! Here’s where I tell you your argument is supported only by the imagination of the bible but nothing from tangible reality and since you’ve believed these things all your life, you’re unwilling to accept anything I have to say. Then I point out, “Evidence, I have piles of it” and you say “it doesn’t matter what you say because the bible says this” and you won’t ever accept any evidence, no matter how much I can provide, as actually existing. And the more I can tear apart the bible or any of the arguments you have, the more you cling to it because THAT is what you actually worship – not god, but the bible! It’s as if you believe that if some parts of the bible are wrong, then all of it must be wrong about everything (which I would agree with), and if that’s the case, then it must be wrong about god too (which I also agree with). That is bible worship. Anyway, here goes. It’s been fun talking to you but I can see where this is going. This will probably be my last reply to you.

                      “Our society is falling apart…I believe it is because the family units are falling apart.”
                      I assume you have some evidence to back up this claim? Society is getting more technological, making our lives easier and better. Politics are taking a turn towards secularism, which means it’s fair and accurate for everyone. Crime is even in a decline, especially violent crime. And yet the population continues to increase, with SEVEN BILLION people on the planet, we are seeing crime decline.

                      “This is a belief according to the Bible. It is either true or not. If there is no sin, and no God, and I am wrong, then my eternal state is just fine. But if you are wrong, you are in trouble!”
                      Ahh, Pascal’s wager. You’d rather dedicate your life’s actions and opinions to unproven myths and tales written by ancient, uneducated, goat-herding nomads as opposed to scholars and those seeking the real truth just in case those unproven myths end up being right. (And for what it’s worth, during the time the old testament was supposedly written, there were already cultures in Egypt, China, and Rome that had a very firm grasp of science, math, and cosmology, and even as the stories about a flat 6000yo earth were being written by your heroes, those other cultures already knew that was wrong). All it takes is evidence. If ANYONE was right about ANYTHING in the bible, it would have left some evidence, but what we find is NO evidence of anything from the bible, or any other religion’s manuscripts either. None. Over time there have been thousands of stories that we’ve uncovered, thousands of religions discovered – all of them 100% fiction – with not one shred of evidence to back up their claims as anything more than imagination. But people in those days believed them just as fervently as you believe in jesus yet it still doesn’t change how untrue they really are. There have been thousands of gods invented in human’s time, and you don’t believe all of them just in case you’re wrong, do you? Are you still praying to Zeus? How about Wotan and Thor? What about Ra? Did you sacrifice anything to JuJu on the Mountain today? If you’re going to bet with your eternal existence, and you can’t be sure YOUR religion is right, you have to play the safe bet with all religions. As for me, I’ll take my chances that if any god exists and it’s worth loving at all, I would be forgiven for finding the unprovable, and frankly idiotic stories in ANY bible to be exactly what they are: unprovable ramblings from ancient uneducated con-men and deceivers in an attempt to explain the natural world BEFORE they knew better. Today we know better, it’s time to eliminate the primitive thinking from our culture.

                      “But I can’t overlook the evidence that the complexities of this universe are such that my brain tells me it was designed. Common sense sayd that non living objects can never bring forth living beings.”
                      This is the ol “I don’t understand evolution” argument. There is NO EVIDENCE, no reason, and no logic anywhere in this entire universe that suggests a creator; and moreover, plentiful evidence and scientific research and repeatable experiements indicating how it can be done WITHOUT a creator (look up the large hadron collider). Rather than try to explain the complexities of cosmology, biology, chemistry, and ultimately evolution to you, I suggest you start with AronRa’s channel on the Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism.

                      “Unfortunately, your views is overtaking this world. I believe that western civilization was built upon biblical principles. It is now being torn apart by new age philosophies!”
                      Here’s another case for evidence and secular thinking: which is better for society, a theocracy or none? Fortunately, we have experience in the matter and can use PROOF to make the point against a religious society. Christianity has had its turn at the wheel and is the only thing responsible for the worst atrocities known to man: the dark ages for one, the inquisition, the crusades, the death of every Aztec, enslavement of blacks in the US, the Salem Witch trials, etc. Fortunately, my view IS taking over this world because we won’t be led blindly by lies and/or tradition. I demand evidence and logic, not “will of god”. You want a theocracy? Go to Afghanistan right now and tell me how well that’s working out for them. Every time religion gets control over a society, it ALWAYS results in the deterioration of human rights – and I have the historical proof to back that up.

                      You’re also wrong about this being a biblical or christian nation. I hate hearing that. The US was never assembled under biblical principals, far from it; we were designed as a nation with FREEDOM OF RELIGION to escape the persecution of the Church of England, which had a religious monopoly at the time. The philosophy was simple; that no one religion would be predominant, including your bible. This nation was founded on skeptisism. However, christianity quickly took over and we used it to murder, enslave, and rape the natives – “savages” I believe your group called them.

                      To be able to practice whatever religion you enjoy the most, to have freedom OF religion, one must necessarily have freedom FROM religion, that is a domineering single religion being crammed down your gullet. Hedge your bets and believe the lies about gods or whatever if you want, but it is not, was not, and will not be the guiding principal behind the US.

                      And one last note, “new age” is still religious in their approach that there is knowledge of things nobody could ever possibly know like some sort of supernatural world and afterlife. The new agers are the ones that say they can talk to the spirit realm, converse with imaginary beings (because if we can imagine them, they must be real), can be a vessel for dead vikings to talk through, and all that nonsense. They don’t do prayer, they have “law of attraction”. That’s new age. It’s all the same junk as ancient religions, just spun a new way. That’s evolution. It’s adapting to survive in a new environment.

                      And how would you view new age? It’s dumb right? Or mormonism or scientology? They tell you things that aren’t true but in ways that sound believable to convince the gullible into spending their lives dedicated to it. Nothing at all like any other mainstream religion, is it? Or is it? They have nothing to offer, nothing to prove they’re right, except faith. Faith, that despite all evidence to the contrary and in spite of the complete lack of any evidence in support, they believe it anyway. Like Jesus. Faith is THE MOST dishonest position a person can have, and it poisons and pollutes knowledge.

                      You see, you and I are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do.

                    5. Christianity is not responsible for any of those! Many people who call themselves Christians have views contrary to scripture. I don’t base any of my views on the pope or any preacher. A lot of wolves in sheep’s clothing have twisted the scriptures for their own gain. Racism is not the teaching of Christ or the Bible. It is probably more connected to evolution if you read Darwin’s Origin of Species.

                      Many of the famous founding fathers were Free Mason’s which is completely contrary to the Bible. But the grass roots culture in America had a protestant Christian culture. That doesn’t mean that evil didn’t exist. Even Christians fall into the culture of the day and don’t read their own bible.

                      I am a constitutional republican so I agree that the government shouldn’t punish anyone for their beliefs. It frustrates me that some Christians want to illegalize Islam or whatever. My point is not to enforce anything on anyone! But I believe in a real God that has unversal laws. And if that is true than judgment will come from him, not a corrupt government.

                      And yes, most religions are based around myths that have many inaccuracies in their historical and scientific claims. But with the Bible, many of the stories have been backed up with archeological finds and ancient secular writings. Prophecies that were dated to be written several centuries before Christ were fullfilled. Including a description of the death penalty Christ would suffer before the Roman empire or anyone else was using that method.

                    6. I’m so glad you know so much about Darwin, tell me more about what he said about racism!!

                      Shall we talk about the bible’s racism now? Numbers 25 talks about intermarrying and calls it “commit whoredom” and god commanded moses to hang them. Another man married a “Midianitis” (wtf is that??) and two men killed “it” with a spear. Or how about Nehemiah 13 where mixed marriages are again denounced, but fixed with a good ol’ ethnic cleansing. “An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever;” (Deuteronomy 23:3)

                      You want me to go on about slavery next? How about witchcraft? Talking snakes and donkeys? Giant boats for WORLDWIDE floods? Parting of seas? Rib women? Living inside of fish? How about when Lot gave up his virgin daughters to be gang raped to protect his guests from certain gang raping? Would you mind me telling your children a few stories from the bible? I bet not. What’s that say about your bible? These aren’t miracles, they’re absurdities and only exist in FICTION. “The bible contains equal parts history, morality, and pizza” – Penn Jillette

                      You’re wrong. You are 100% absolutely without claim, positively WRONG. Racism is definitely part of the bible. Slavery is part of the bible. Rape is part of the bible. So maybe a few christians have “twisted the scriptures” to their own benefit, but can you blame them? They’re only acting literally EXACTLY WHAT GOD COMMANDED in Leviticus 25:44 by enslaving other humans! Isn’t that what you’re doing by taking a stance against fornication? Believing in creation? Doing what god told you to do, right? When was the last time you killed a person with rocks for working on a sunday? (exodus 31:15) Have you killed any smartmouth teens today? (Deut 21:18) I’m sure you’re all for killing of homosexuals, right? You must be, for god commanded it in Leviticus 20:13. Of course, it’s not just those crazy homos, it’s adulterers too! “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.”

                      PUT TO DEATH. This is what your book preaches. These are the morals YOU subscribe to. Does this really sound like a loving, all-knowing being to you? Or does it sound more like an ignorant, bigoted man? If I told you to kill hookers, murder children that still wear diapers, eat healthy, and kill anyone that wears red, would you say I had good morals? I mean, at least ONE of my morals is good for you, just because I have a few bad ones, everything I say is bad? You certainly wouldn’t let ME off the hook with that foolishness, so how come you give that sort of free pass to the bible, full of garbage as it is, because it might say one or two good things here and there but is full of bigotry, oppression, and ignorance everywhere else?

                      I’m beginning to see that not only do you have an absolute misunderstanding of science, but you barely have the vaguest understanding of your own scriptures. Scriptures you admittedly have bet your eternity on.

                      “But with the Bible, many of the stories have been backed up with archeological finds and ancient secular writings. Prophecies that were dated to be written several centuries before Christ were fullfilled. Including a description of the death penalty Christ would suffer before the Roman empire or anyone else was using that method.”
                      I love this, this one is a two-parter!!! First, the easy one – your bible has been rewritten and retranslated COUNTLESS times. Prophesies can and have been forged in that way, and the bible is not an exception. As well, there is no way to validate its claims without some evidence. Did it happen, was it forged, HOW DO WE KNOW!? There is also the possibility that people were carrying out actions in an effort to fulfill prophesy to make it seem more valid. But did they really? Prophesy, whether fulfilled or not, is not a reliable claim – you need that one thing I’ve been harping on this whole time: EVIDENCE. And the only thing you have to go by is ONE book. A book with questionable authors, questionable rewrites, edits, and translations, and NO historical verification. That’s right, not one historian or scholar can validate anything that ever happened in the bible as ever actually happening; neither can they verify any of the people as actually existing. So reality finds the book to be mere fiction. The only place in which those things actually happened is in those pages and in your mind.

                      Next, the REAL easy one. What archeological finds validate the bible? Where are they? What have they found? And where are the articles about them? Have any of them passed peer review?

                      Find me ONE actual piece of evidence in support of anything the bible says – ONE – and I’ll take it all back. Your challenge is to find actual evidence that passes scrutiny, is verifiable in source, and passes peer review, not just the same old crap Ken Ham throws up. One piece of legitimate evidence in support of the bible, that’s all I ask.

                      “Christianity is not responsible for any of those!”
                      Explain the witch trials to me. Please. Tell me how that was NOT 100% religious stupidity/fear/ignorance.
                      Explain the enslavement of the blacks in the US for me, please.
                      Explain the crusades.
                      Explain the inquisition.
                      Explain it all. If you had nothing to do with it, then there must have been a good reason, right? Where were these leading men getting all their great ideas? Whose name were they propping up to justify their actions? Why was spreading the word of Christ all part of it, if religion wasn’t responsible?

                      Come on now, the Westboro Baptist Church, arguably the most ignorant bigoted assholes to ever live aside from the Klan, all have bible verses supporting their position. Are they doing something wrong? As far as I can tell, both the WBC and the KKK are reading their bibles correctly.

                      The difference between you and them, they know their bible better than you. The difference between me and you/them, I know better. That’s no book I place any faith in, no stock, no trust, no respect. Go ahead and hold up your “moral” teachings of purity and clean living, but remember which verses are immediately surrounding it, full of hatred and ignorance. It’s up to you to decide when you’ve been fed enough junk.

                    7. The witch trials: unless they were sacrificing and abusing humans, which some satanic groups are known to do, they should have left them alone according to the constitution.

                      Slavery has taken place all over the world. And many Americans opposed it.

                      The crusades: if the crusaders were even Christians, they didn’t understand what the Bible says for the church. “We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers.against the rulers of the darkness of this world. Against spiritual wickedness in high places.” In other words, it is a spiritual battle. Our enemy is Satan and the fallen angels. Human beings may hate us, but our job is to turn the other cheek and show them the love of Christ. Our kingdom is not of this world.

                      The inquisition: I believe that was instated by the Roman Catholic church which is not the Church of Jesus Christ! They have built a hierarchy and put a man (the pope) in place of Christ.

                      So I say it once again, don’t judge the true Church by all these apostates calling themselves Christians. Show me how the Bible promotes these things.

                    8. You’re unbelievable. You haven’t answered any of my questions. You aren’t even reading my posts fully.

                      The witch trials, inquisition, and crusades, since all of them happened to eliminate those that believed differently than christianity to help spread christianity, how are they not motivated by the bible?

                      Where is your supposed archaeological evidence? Any? I only asked for ONE.

                      I don’t judge religion by all the wackos that take it way too far, I judge all religions on the amount of truth they speak and by the damage they’ve caused. Only because of religion we use a book as a reason to kill other people, violently conquer foreign lands, enslave, rape, murder, justify war, fly planes into buildings, bomb, and so on. I also judge religion by the amount of disinformation their sheep will parrot back when challenged.

                      Maybe there was a time when religion did good. Back when people needed to be told to behave “or else” and they needed a what else. Like how “Be good or Santa won’t come” sounds an awful lot like “Don’t believe in other gods or you won’t make it to heaven”. There was a day when people didn’t know why certain stars didn’t follow the same orbital path as other stars, and since they had no way of knowing they were just planets, it was determined they were gods. But at some point, continuing the lie is harmful to growth, education, and understanding.

                      And name ANY occasion when “god did it” or “magic” was the best answer to any question. Or even an honest one.

                      Religion is 100% made-up imaginary fiction that harms society, harms progress, harms education, harms people and it is ignorant, oppressive, bigoted, archaic lies. I’m not implying you are any of those things, but at this point if you choose to ignore the truth supported by facts and evidence in favor of your favorite myth from an old book – that DOES make you a harmful, ignorant, oppressive, bigoted, archaic liar.

                      And now that we’ve gotten this far, essentially proving religion is NOT necessary for making good decisions for each other, we can gather proof in societal behavior (maybe conduct studies) whether waiting for marriage to have sex and whether marrying young is beneficial or harmful to society. And if it’s found to be one or the other, the deal is to accept it. There is no reason to perpetuate a lie “because god lolz” if evidence shows it to be contrary. The matter comes down to what is and is not good for society, not what your god or ancient myth says, and NOTHING is above being tested, even your holy scripture.

                      Because what if the evidence discovers the right thing to do is in direct contradiction to what the bible says? Should we intentionally do the wrong thing for society and follow the bible instead? Why would god want that, to prove faith? To watch us fail and suffer? To see us harm each other? To see us destroy our planet? What an asshole!! Wouldn’t god want us to have all the right answers to have a happy society? Shouldn’t there be profound morality and wisdom with which no human author could compete? Because if there ever was a god and he really authored a manual, that kind of information would be in there and there would NEVER have been anything that allowed slavery, inquisitions, and witch trials.

                      Why again do you place so much faith in that? That’s all you have, you know: faith. You don’t have evidence, certainly no logic or reason, hardly even tradition. So why do you think it’s real? Faith, right? You lie to yourself. You tell yourself it’s real, that you don’t understand why, but it is. That’s what faith is: believing with no good reason to do so and despite all evidence to the contrary. The bible can be shown to be wrong about everything and has no real answers to the things that matter the most – things a god would be concerned with us knowing. So why do you continue to lie to yourself? What do you get out of it? Does the reality of death scare you? Is it too much to relearn, to attempt to understand evolution? What is it? You know it’s phony baloney. But what makes YOU a bad person, is telling the lie to other people. You should be embarrassed for having faith in it for yourself, but convincing others, THAT is truly shameful, and I’m sorry for you.

                    9. I am opposed to most of our wars.

                      Ok, I know slavery was in the Bible , but there were laws in Israel on how a slave could be treated. It was awful what people did to slaves in the U.S. no doubt.

                      I will also point out that the idea for human rights and freedom was unprecedented in history before the protestant movement. Sure they made their mistakes too, but the push toward small government came from western civilization. I am not saying the rulers have neen good, but society has been impacted by the true Church. We have lead the world away from dictatorships and slavery over the last few centuries.

                      Back to the Catholic Church, all you would have to do is a basic bible study and compare that to the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

                      Also, no reason to get angry. That is not my intent. It’s unfortunate how so many in history have done evil in the name of Christianity. So once again, if you could tell me where the church doctrine in the Bible promotes violence, racism etc.

                    10. I’ve already shown you racism and violence and slavery in the bible. How much more am I going to show you that you’re going to be blind to? Don’t give me that “it was a different time then” crap, the apologists all do that because they know they’ve been pushed into a corner. It was a different time and god was cool with violence and slavery? Well, why isn’t he cool with it now? Where does it say that? When did god say that? I thought your god transcended all time and knew history beginning to end, so shouldn’t he have known slavery would eventually be not cool? Why isn’t that in the bible? “It was a different time” is an admission that whatever you’ve been challenged on was NOT the words of god. Any real diety with any concern for us would not change his mind. Is that the kind of leader you respect anyway? A rehabbed wishy-washy, murder-hungry slave owner?

                      And don’t tell me you’re so gullible that you buy that answer without question. Donkeys can talk? Women turn to salt? God said beating your slave ALMOST to death is okay as long as he doesn’t die? Why doesn’t that happen anymore?

                      “Well my son, it was a different time then.”

                      Oh, okay, that explains it all.

                      Here is my favorite verse on slavery, just in case you thought it was “gentle” or “servitude”:
                      When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

                      That doesn’t sound violent at all, does it? Do you think any real, loving, compassionate, all-knowing god would have allowed something like that on his resume? Don’t you think a REAL god with any actual concern for his creation would have said, “slavery is wrong idiots”. The bible was not written, dictated, or even inspired by a diety – men wrote that. Plain and simple. It is not the all-knowing work you want it to be, and you’re being selectively blind if you don’t recognize that.

                      However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

                      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5)

                      Slavery is very much accepted in god’s eyes. Like I said, even if this demon were real, he is not deserving of my respect for being a heinous atrocity of a monster. Fortunately, because the writers of these verses were men and not a god, nothing that is said in the bible needs to be taken seriously. It is an ancient collection of ancient myths and traditions that were used to control and manipulate people. But now that we know better and can find every flaw in the bible, we can easily discard what it says and move on in the right direction.

                      Come on dude, how much more convincing do you need? Every single time you reply, I’m able to come back with something like this. You STILL have not come up with any answers to my questions, nor have you provided this evidence you say exists.

                      You can’t answer my questions, you don’t have any evidence, and the book you place so much DISHONEST faith in is deceiving you… what more is it going to take? The answer is so plainly simple that it explains everything: god is imaginary.

                    11. http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

                      I just read the full page you sent me, they aren’t even posting the full verses! They’re guilty of cherry-picking their own book and taking their own verses out of context. Way to go, that’s called lying.

                      Seriously, is THIS all you’ve got!?!?! What did I say earlier, I’m going to tear your silly scriptures apart and you’re going to cling to them for all you’re worth. Failure, utter failure. Your book doesn’t pass scrutiny.

                      It’s time. This argument has reached the end. You haven’t impressed me one bit. And you’ve been shown plenty of evidence necessary to help you think, now it’s time to let it simmer. You now have two choices: accept the facts as what they are and open your eyes to reality and truth, or continue deceiving yourself and lying to others about “faith” because you’re scared you might be wrong, placing all stock in all understanding you have in the world from a provably incorrect book of ancient nonsense. I don’t know how to be more plain. You’re wrong, your bible is full of inconsistencies and plainly obvious bad ideas, god didn’t write it, and there is no evidence that there even is a god.

                      That’s all I have to say. The only thing you can come back with is bible verses since that’s ALL you have. You have no evidence, just this one book that has been very easy to point out as being horrible evidence for your case.

                      Good bye.

                    12. On Numbers 25, where you believe there is racism, it was because of the wickedness of those nations. There are many accounts where a foreigner converted to Judaism and they were brought into the family. Not racism.

                      There is also a difference between original intent and what was allowed because of sin. Jesus said that he hates divorce. But he allowed it because of their sin.

                      The original intent for marriage was one man and one woman for life. Yet he allowed polygamy which I don’t understand. Much of what we understand is through the lens of modern western eyes.

                      Right under our nose today is something called abortion, which has killed more innocent blood than the haulicost. But for whatever reason, many people don’t think it’s wrong.

                      So to my point, who judges these thing? What is considered horrible in one culture is completely fine in another culture.

                      So I’m sorry that I can’t clear everything up in a few comments on a YouTube video. I don’t understand why athiests get so upset. What difference does it make to anyone what I believe?

                    13. “who judges these thing? What is considered horrible in one culture is completely fine in another culture. ”
                      People do. God isn’t giving any answers, the bible sure can’t be trusted for them. So people determine what works and what doesn’t. And what is horrible in another culture is still horrible, you have to get them to understand that. Just like I’m trying to get you to understand how what you believe is horrible. Do you think all those people getting clitoral removals as part of their religious upbringing think it’s fine? We can show it’s not, even though it’s part of their culture. Is it still “fine”? Or is it horrible. Come on, I know you’re not stupid.

                      Different culture, different time – it’s all the same cop out. If slavery was good once by god, it should always be good by god; and if god condemns it now, it should have always been.

                      “What difference does it make to anyone what I believe? ”
                      Because you’re a voter. You’re a citizen. You help make laws that perpetuate archaic, simple beliefs into our system. Believers put “in god we trust” on our currency, believers put abstinence-only education in our schools, believers teach creation in public schools. Believers rounded up the Jews in camps, they led the Inquisition, continued slavery in America, and spread disease. Believers are capable of horrible atrocities (when was the last atheistic atrocity?). It matters what you believe because if you’re willing to swallow this ancient lie hook, line, & sinker, than what’s to stop you from accepting any other lie? (Like the global warming deal – you religious nuts swear up and down it’s all a lie – I did too, until I learned to understand evidence. You bought the lie that it isn’t real.) On the other hand if you’re honest, critical, and skeptical, lies can’t get past you. Evidence is your guide and you can make informed decisions based on the truth.

                      That’s why it matters.

                      It should matter to you more than it matters to me. I want you to understand that you’ve been raised to believe bullshit and to open your eyes, but you – personally you, the voice in your head – should REALLY be concerned with being right, understanding truth, and letting reality matter to you. But it doesn’t, none of what I’ve said matters to you because you’re blind by your faith and you’ve been taught to ignore anything contrary to your beliefs. Beliefs should not be so concrete as to ignore new information. Beliefs should not replace evidence, reason, logic, and reality; but that’s what you’re doing. It should matter to YOU what you believe. And what you currently buy into is utter nonsense that has no bearing on the real world. Buy into something better, something productive, something that helps cultures and societies (not oppresses them). Buy into understanding. Let go of belief. Let go of faith. Stop lying.

                    14. I agree that people decide what is right and wrong. Unfortunately, the majority is often wrong. The southern states were majority whites who thought that blacks were inferior and didn’t allow them to vote.
                      And concerning slavery, if done under certain rules it is not bad. In biblical law it was never about race, and they were given a year of jubilee every 7 years in which all slaves were set free.

                      I have absolutely questioned my belief. You said belief should not replace evidence and reason. Well, explain atheism to me then. Where did matter come from? How did these physical laws come about? How did life come from non living matter? How do things get more and more complex over time and gain information? I think atheism is the most illogical idea there is. Agnosticism, ok because at least they acknowledged there is something of a higher power.

                    15. “Well, explain atheism to me then.”
                      Atheism is the lack of any belief that a diety exists. It is not a statement of faith because most atheists require evidence and utilize zero faith, thus it relies ONLY on reason.

                      Then you go on to ask more questions as if being atheist automatically gives me clues on how to answer any of these. You’re lucky I’ve studied many subjects and will be able to do a decent job because I’m actually damn brilliant. However, in response to EVERY question you asked, how is the answer “god did it” going to reveal anything profound about your questions? Using that as an answer is both the most dishonest and most stupid reply to any one of the following inquiries that could exist. Seriously, replace the word ‘god’ with ‘tree’ or ‘goose’ so you can hear how silly you sound giving that as an answer.

                      “Where did matter come from?”
                      Again, I’m not that versed in chemistry, but all matter on Earth and in space was created in the explosions of stars. Stars are giant hydrogen fusion reactors, when hydrogen is fused it creates helium, three heliums fused is carbon, and when a star creates carbon, it collapses in a supernova and the resulting explosion sends everything out into space. This explosion fuses all atoms into all the elements we know today, which then spin around the gravitational field of the collapsed star, the hydrogen coming together and fusing and making a new star, the rest of the dust and gas swirling together in an ecretion disc around the star and eventually forming planets in a solar system.

                      But I supposed “a goose made it” is a more enlightened answer?

                      “How did these physical laws come about?”
                      This is a physics question, and I’m not a physics student, but the laws came about from observing the properties and behavior of matter. If it were the other way around, like if a creator were involved, we would expect to see wildly divergent patterns and odd things that don’t obey the same laws as everything else.

                      “How did life come from non living matter?”
                      This is another chemistry question. First, define life. And also, to prove your point about theology, prove that human life is somehow different than animal life. And to do that, prove that humans aren’t animals.

                      What is life, according to science? It’s simply a metabolic chemical reaction. Ever since bacteria consumed matter for calories over 2 billion years ago, there has been life on this planet.

                      But to put the questions back at you, when do we get life? When does it leave? Where is it in our body? How much does it weigh and what does it look like? Can our life be put in another body? Are we still alive when our brain has ceased functioning? What IS life? According to you.

                      “How do things get more and more complex over time and gain information?”
                      What things? I assume you mean species. Species become more complex over time because of natural and artificial selection which favors random beneficial mutations in populations over time. Or do you mean our electronics? Electronics get more complex over time because as we learn about new materials and processes, we are able to advance new ideas into products that make life easier and more affordable. That knowledge is based on a scientific understanding of how the universe works and having an unbiased and rational belief system.

                      “I think atheism is the most illogical idea there is.”
                      From dictionary.com:
                      LOGIC
                      1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
                      2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation:
                      3.the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.
                      4.reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions:
                      5.convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness:
                      the irresistible logic of the facts.

                      Atheism is ONLY logical, it relies ONLY on logic and rational skeptisism, not belief and faith in…. WHAT!?!? What exactly DO you think did all this? Some invisible dad in the clouds? Despite ALLL the facts and evidence that creation is a myth story, you believe in your bible. Despite the lack of ANY evidence whatsoever that there is a creator in this universe, you still think there is one. Do you know what they call that?

                      DELUSION: (from dictionary.com)
                      a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact

                      Tell me again how illogical atheism is compared to any religion.

                      “Agnosticism, ok because at least they acknowledged there is something of a higher power. ”
                      Wrong again.
                      a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
                      Synonyms: disbeliever, nonbeliever, unbeliever; doubter, skeptic, secularist, empiricist; heathen, heretic, infidel, pagan.
                      2.a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study.

                      An agnostic says there isn’t enough evidence to say you know for sure. An atheist says there isn’t any evidence so it can’t be.

                      “And concerning slavery, if done under certain rules it is not bad. In biblical law it was never about race, and they were given a year of jubilee every 7 years in which all slaves were set free.”

                      Are you mad?!?? I didn’t realize I was talking to a super bigot. Slavery isn’t bad??? WTF is wrong with you. This right here explains everything that is wrong with you as a person. You accept a lie and pass it off as though it isn’t that big a deal.

                      And people wonder why atheists attack religion. It’s this shit right here. He’s going to teach a child somewhere that “slavery isn’t bad if you do it a certain way”.

                      What certain way? The bible’s way? Do I need to repeat those verses to you again?

                      Leviticus 25:44-46 – Use foreigners as slaves, you may keep their kids, slaves are your PROPERTY
                      Exodus 21:2-6 & Exodus 21:7-11 – Slaves of LOCAL HEBREWS (only) have a max term of 6 years unless you can get them to marry and have children so they can volunteer to be yours forever. Women are always permanent slaves. If you sleep with your women slaves, you must treat them as you would your wife
                      Exodus 21:20-21 – If you beat your slave and he dies, shame on you; but if you beat him and he doesn’t die within two days, it’s all good.
                      Ephesians 6:5 – Slaves, you have no choice

                      Even Jesus got in on the act, saying, The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.Luke 12:47-48

                      It seems you don’t know your bible very well. You don’t know your science very well. And you don’t know you’re not doing very well in this discussion. I hope you’re learning. I’m tired of talking to you unless you’re starting to get some of this stuff. Otherwise, if you’re just here to defend religion and you’re never going to accept reality and the facts as they are, then you’re wasting your time preaching over here. We have no respect for the delusional beliefs of a bigot who holds up the bible as a reason for his shitty attitudes and outlooks and ignorant understanding of the world.

                    16. Are you sure my attitudes and outlooks of the world are ignorant? How can you be so sure? Honestly, if you are right, then when I die there are no consequences for my ‘ignorance’ . But you are in serious trouble if the Bible is true.

                    17. Yes, I’m absolutely positive that your outlook and attitude on life is ignorant because you’re basing it all on an incorrect, unprovable, and biased world view. I am so sure because FACTS back up the case that the bible can be proven to be dead wrong about everything it says in it. Science doesn’t know everything, but religion doesn’t know anything about anything at all.

                      And if there was some reason, any one tiny reason at all – like I’ve been asking you to provide; this “proof” you swear exists – then I could find something about the bible to believe, but since none of it can be verified, I simply cannot be made to accept anything it says as real or truthful. It is nothing more than primitive men writing their primitive, ignorant, hateful things.

                      I am also DEAD sure that your outlook on the world is preposterously stupid and incredibly ignorant and blindly hateful because you think owning other human beings is just fine as long as we do it the way the bible said to do it. You are a hateful, ignorant, and stupid monster if you accept the bible to that degree and think that any of it wasn’t harmful. This isn’t a case of believing impossible nonsense as a test so after you die you get to go to the great Disney World in the sky with your imagined creator, this is a case of doing the right thing for mankind NOW while you’re alive. This is why it is important to get rid of religion now, and not wait until after you are dead to shrug it off and say “oh well, guess I was wrong.”, you know, when you’re not aware or conscious and can’t take any of it back.

                      You think religion is harmless? Look what it made you believe and accept. And you’re almost proud of it too, you certainly defended it. Horrible. You’re a horrible person.

                      But let’s assume religion has it right for a second then YOU are the one in serious trouble after you die. If you’re willing to play Pascal’s Wager, then don’t leave out the Jewish Torah, the Koran of Islam, the Kitab-i-Aqdas of Bahaullah, the Hindu Vedas, the Bhagavad Gita, the Book of Mormon, the Urantia book, Dianetics, the Tipitaka of Buddhism, the Zend Avestas of Zoroastrianism, the Guru Granth Sahib of Sikhism, and The Kojiki of Shinto. You might think you’re more right than me, but these guys all think they’re more right than you and you’ve dismissed them without probably ever reading a single word of their books. HAVEN’T YOU!?! What if you’re wrong? How would you know? Wouldn’t you want some evidence to point you in the right direction? Guess what? The christian bible/jewish old testament has ZERO evidence in support of it, and NO REASON to assume it is real or correct, and neither do any of the other works I mentioned. And they all say the others are “deceived”; the only assumption we can make is that they all are.

                      Here is a quote to help you through your day:

                      “If there really was one true god, it should be the singular composite of every religion’s gods, an uber-galactic super-genius, and the ultimate entity of the entire cosmos. If a being of that magnitude ever wrote a book, then there would only be one such document; one book of God. It would be dominant everywhere in the world with no predecessors or parallels or alternatives in any language, because mere human authors couldn’t possibly compete with it. And you wouldn’t need faith to believe it, because it would be consistent with all evidence and demonstrably true, revealing profound morality and wisdom far beyond contemporary human capacity. It would invariably inspire a unity of common belief for every reader. If God wrote it, we could expect no less. But what we see instead is the very opposite of that.” – AronRa

                    18. Yes, but if I’m wrong and you are right, then how does that hurt me if I just cease to exist when I am dead? I don’t claim to have it all figured out, but you seemed to. Have you ever considered the possibilty that you could be wrong?

                      As for all these religions, I believe it is because there is a deceiver, the devil. He is there to bring deception. So far, no account in the Bible has been disproven. And evidence for much. For example, historians once claimed that Nineveh didn’t exist. It has since been discovered and matches the discription given in the Bible. That is just one example. I am sure if you ever really wanted to find the others you can. Just as I have. I can’t prove anything to you on a comments page. And visa versa. Your comments that there is ZERO evidence is purely ignorant. There is lots of it!

                    19. hey, i read through this entire debate. you are very intelligent and i don’t think ill ever have what it takes to compose the texts that you just wrote. I want to ask you something tho, a simple answer would be fine. I understand you do not believe in the bible or GOD, but how is their evidence enough to disprove him? Can you provide evidence to disprove him? The bible says that “faith is the evidence of things not seen”, it simply means that you do not have faith and @Rob Hendrick does. it simply means that that this argument was void to begin with. But as much as you do not believe and Rob says he believes, can you provide evidence that disproves GOD, which is some how more or equivalent to the evidence of the Universe which is right before your eyes?

                    20. Funny you should ask, and I will accept your challenge.

                      First, you are asking me to disprove the undisprovable; this is akin to asking you to prove there is no bigfoot, no teacup orbiting Neptune, and no flying Spaghetti Monster. It is not possible to prove something is not real because by the mere fact it is not real, there is no evidence available to prove anything one way or another. There is no evidence for a creator or supernatural being or of the supernatural or of supernatural abilities or powers; it would be impossible to prove them as false. However, none of those things – including creator gods – can be proven to be real. And lacking ANY evidence AT ALL for their existence makes it quite easy to dismiss entirely – that which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

                      Secondly, faith is not proof nor is it even respectable. Faith is making yourself believe impossible nonsense for no good reason with no reason at all to believe it. Faith is dishonesty in it’s full manifestation. Faith is not a virtue. Faith is gullability, it is dishonesty, it is blindness and it is the absence of reason. Faith should not be respected, it should be detested as the deception it is.

                    21. OK, i understand your view about faith and disproving the ‘lack of evidence’ or ‘evidence’ that this debate keeps recurring. The bible is the closest thing that gives evidence enough to explain what we see before us. However, since no human being can reanimate, or animate any dead or inanimate object, ultimately points out that we cannot create nothing that we see before us that wasn’t already presented before us, biologically speaking. That leaves you without the AUTHORITY to to declare what is real and what is not. If all this is a gamble based on faith, i rather be on the safe side than burn in hell forever. After all, i have nothing to lose because i don’t know how i got here in the first place.

                      YOU ARE INDEED INTELLIGENT! but not intelligent enough to explain why your mouth is closer to your nose than your ears or why plants are green and not colour blue! no scientist can!

                      Your lack of faith only proves that you believe enough to even doubt the matter.You too, have faith enough to not even believe and to disprove GOD after all what (THE UNIVERSE) has been set out before you. with all the intellect your mouth speaks, i want you to know that wisdom is always greater than intelligence. In the name of JESUS CHRIST, one day you will switch sides to this debate and proclaim his name with a never-ending fire in your heart. if you want to truly master this debate when another faith blinded happy fool like me comes to you with this, read the bible and you will know exactly how to shut them up. If you wrote a book i would gladly buy it based on your approach when debating. Write a book about disproving god and i grantee you will have a lot of buyers.

                    22. Sinful man want sin to be ok so he/she can have there flesh satisfied. Stats speak for themselves. If you wait till married to have sex your odds of staying together goes up. So we know pre marital sex before marriage is a negative when it comes to getting married. Poverty rates triple when single parents raise kids. So we know divorce unless in extreme cases is bad. If you go to church regularly odds of staying married goes up. So we know church is good for marriage. ALWAYS look at the fruits your deeds bare. one more thing sin is something you do against your soul. slavery is not a sin if done by biblical laws.

    2. rynoAZ :

      These girls will marry the first guy that is willing to have sex with them, have a bad marriage, and get divorced. People should not wait until marriage to have sex. This is stupid.

      Why is this stupid -.- its stupid to have sex with every girl or boyfriend you have, just becazse you love him or her a bit, thats stupid

      1. What’s wrong with having sex with people? It’s awesome and it’s great with someone you really like. I don’t get why people think sex is so special or meaningful, it’s just a natural biological function and it serves double as a pleasurable relationship ingredient.

        1. I dont disagree to you, sex is an good thing and i dont say that you must have it just with your wife, but i dont like people who say thats its unnormal to think like this, everybody can chose themself when there ready for having sex, the problem i see is that in oure generation people just seeing in every media thats normal to have sex as much and as early as they could. so there one opinion is manipulated. just my ohn opinion (i dont say that its bad to have sex with your girlfriend befor marriage, also because Christian religion not even ban this directly what many people understand wrong. 😀

  31. Ok the girls are very sweet and are trying to be honest and have a discussion, but I’m sorry I think the guy asking the questions is a lech! How creepy and pushy can he be??? If they don’t want to talk about it don’t push them and tell them not to lie!! That dude is way out of line.

      1. He was asking them to go into details about what they where doing while touching themselves. To ask a Christian woman that even if not a virgin is disrespectful as hell. With your screen name id say you have no idea about respecting a god fearing woman.

        1. And by your screen name I’d say you were a degenerate alcoholic.

          Do you want to continue making blanket generalizations about things you nothing about or do you want to have a calm and rationale discussion?

          And let’s be clear here – you and people like you are basing your entire belief system on a bunch of fairy stories made up by primitive tribes people traipsing around the desert during the Bronze Age to explain where the sun goes at night.

          A religion predicated on the belief that an invisible, imaginary sky genie will grant you wishes if ONLY you pray hard enough.

  32. I love the part when the girl unexpectedly said “I repented.” So encouraging to know how willing they are to keep themselves pure. As a Christian, these girls give me more patience to be self controlled and wait for the right one. I would love to meet them in person. Hook me up please. 😉

  33. Both these girls worry me. They are being nurtured to be frigid. They are so spiritually minded they will be of no earthly use. By the time they get married they will be withered and frigid. The poor unsuspecting guys of their dreams destined to a marriage of sexual frustration and disappointment leading to divorce. Why is it so many Christian marriages now end in divorce. Stop burying your heads in the sand. “him that is without sin let him cast the first stone”. Be warned super spiritual.

  34. if these girls choose not to have sex before marriage, then good for them…people always want to blame it on religious beliefs, to validate them being a slut or a dog, if you ask me they are smart, they will avoid a lot of traps by waiting, if yall only knew how many women I know that are single with 3 kids and no husband and cant find a man, all because they listen to the wrong voices, and cant find a man to save their life….sex and pleasure anit going nowhere, and if it was that important then the divorce rate would be a hell of a lot lower, so its obvious that being good in bed wont keep you in love or married…..Everybody is in a hurry to be like the next disaster saying what they should do, be different and be right…nothing wrong with living HOLY, which means to be set a part!!!

    1. And if those singles with kids had used contraceptives BEFORE they had sex they wouldn’t be crying about how no one wants to marry them. You also make the same mistake that A LOT of other people make by trying to shoe-horn sexual ability (or lack thereof) with the success rate of a relationship or marriage.

        1. Except that is just one study and it is very limited in scope and scale, so it’s not a very accurate representation. Not really sure what your point was in citing this particular study, but, for the sake of argument, let’s take a look at some of the assertions made:So why would more sexual or relationship experience be associated with worse outcomes later on? Rhoades and Stanley hypothesize in the report that “more experience may increase one’s awareness of alternative partners.” In other words, people who have a number of prior relationships may become dissatisfied more easily. But isn’t that another way to say they might be more aware of a bad relationship? Isn’t that a good thing? I would say that the more experience a person has the better they are able to navigate their way through relationships and thus weed out the “bad” ones and veer more towards the “good” ones.The article then goes on to say “For example, people who tend to avoid commitment in general may have more sexual partners and be less happy when they settle down. It’s not the fact that they have more sexual partners that leads them to be less happy, it’s the fact that they don’t really like commitment.I would say that sex and relationship are two completely different things. People can have sex without being in a committed relationship. It happens all the time. It’s not wrong or illegal for consenting adults to do so. It’s only when religious nut jobs attempt to pass judgement that things get messy. Beyond that, Lehmiller says there may be flaws in the way data was analyzed — the way in which good marriages were separated from bad marriages was “rather odd” he says. “Even the authors admit that they were ‘arbitrary’ in their report. They defined ‘higher quality marriages’ as those in which individuals scored in the top 40 percent … Why the top 40 percent?” Which is what I stated earlier that this particular study is not very accurate.

  35. sex

    I think that it is an important topic to be talked about, but some of these questions seemed inappropriate. These girls can share their testimony without sharing what guys they thought about while touching themselves.

  36. I’m 18. About 5 weeks ago I told my mom (she’s 43) I had gay tendencies. I knew she masturbated. She was outraged and grief stricken for days. One evening, while dad was working late, she came into my room, she was somewhat shy at first, but slowly took her clothes off. She invited me to inspect every inch of her and touch wherever I wanted. We became aroused and had sex in bed. I felt good, it was the best sex I’ve had. Since then we’ve been having sex regularly. She told me she would give me sex so I wouldn’t be gay. Whenever dad is gone she lets me sleep with her. What a joy for me! I sure hope dad doesn’t find out. Mom and I are both saved, so it’s okay. Thank you Jesus!

        1. Weird is a gentle way putting it. This is a creepy incest from a galaxy in another dimension which is filled with gay zombies weird. Shit like this can fucking not exist on our homeworld.

            1. Nice one dude. Before Christians flip out over incest stories they need to consider how they got here if they hold to the Adam and Eve story. Caine would’ve had to have sex with his mother (or sister if he had one) otherwise the human race could never have propagated. Same holds true for Noah’s family.

        1. WHAT THE HOLY FUCK

          yeah, that was some crazy shit

          Don’t you find it odd that when Christians talk about doing the right thing when you read the comment section it has the most fowl language ? No where else is it as vile as on Christian videos. I wonder what is behind that. almost like The devil hates gods people. Just find it odd don’t you ?

  37. I feel sorry for this girl. She has truly been raised to have NO sex drive what so ever. Shes not gonna meet some dream guy and have loving awesome sex. Because she doesn’t even care about it. She says she’s excited about it. Yet she has no desire. Its absolutely disgusting. She’s only going to have sex because “the lord almighty” said she should after she’s married. She’s gonna be a robot in bed. “Heres my vagina….insert penis….this kinda feels good…..but not too good….that would be a sin…I don’t want to burn in hell…beep boop..” How can anyone seriously believe this crap? Im not even some horn dog stud and I know that if I was her boy friend she would absolutely have sex with me. Because I understand sex. Its amazing and scary. You have to be careful. You have to BOTH want it. You need to please your partner as well as yourself. If its a dream come true. awesome..if not… life goes on… were HUMAN. And GOD needs to keep his pervert eyes OFF of the bedroom when its happening. Its a human thing. we have free will ….its OUR choice. We have enough crap to worry about in life. Burning in hell shouldn’t be one of them. Honestly, can ANY Christian think of someone that should burn in hell for eternity? Besides Hitler? Stalin? Think of all the people you dislike in your life. Do any of them deserve that? If you say YES you either have no concept of eternity or your a very sick human being. Go kneel at your bed and pray away the scary thoughts. Because itll never change ,and you’re in for a big let down. Its brutal and cold but you shouldn’t imagine some fairy tale marriage and making love with the perfect match for you. Sex is simple. Penis goes into vagina. You thrash around trying to have an orgasm. You stimulate various body parts. Then climax. You love each other more afterwards. Sex is sex. If you don’t care about sex.. you will NEVER EVER have great sex. You will be LET DOWN. Your gonna marry some guy…let him do you…then feel used after. Because you got no pleasure out of it. Because youve been brainwashed not to like it. YOURE DOOMED.

    I’d also like to point out that everything I’ve just said is because I care about people. I’m a nice person. I’m not trying to “lead another good girl from the light to infect her with my demon seed”. Christians(as well as all religious people) need to step back and look at the world. Because this is were we live and breath. More hate and fear and death has come from religion than you can measure. If it wasnt for the religious crusades we would be as technologically advanced as we are now….hundreds if not thousands of years ago! That’s fact. I wish I could believe and live in a wonderland where I die and go to heaven. But i care to much. Back to sex….Sex is an itch that feels good to scratch. But only if you actually get aroused and want to have it. You literally have to put all of the bullcrap out of your mind …and just have an orgasm. You have to crave it fiercely. Masturbate desperately. Have sex franticly with someone who wants YOU to feel good ,as well as themselves….. Damn, I could right an erotic novel….teenage girls everywhere would masturbate to it and all the worlds problems would be solved…

    That was kinda sexist..sorry

    Okay I’ve ranted long enough.

    Or maybe not long enough….

  38. It is the will of God to abstain from sexual immorality sex outside marriage is wrong, pprn is wrong, masturbation is wrong. And The lord can give you power over it all. it is God’s will to abstain from all forms of sexual immorality

        1. Convicted me? WTF are you talking about now?

          No simply, you seem to have a thing about young girls, and your anti-porn crusade elsewhere suggests strongly you have something to hide there. To hate something that much is hiding something. Thankfully the world is not left to the likes of you to run it, because it would be an awful place to live. People would have no right to reject your faith, and would have to endorse your crap and Hitleresque opinions on everything they did. Free Will. Learn what that is, leave people alone, and keep your views to yourself.

            1. We are all sinners, even you. Look to your own sins, and no Priest, and not even Jesus will wash that away. The belief in Hell is borrowed by the Christians from the Greek Hel/Hades, it doesn’t exist but if it did, the Kingdom of Shades is where we all go. Elysian Fields or Hades, your sins are what you are judged on. Do good works and look to your own sins which you carry with you, if indeed you believe that nonsense. Leave others to their own life’s choices.

            2. It is the will of God to abstain from sexual immorality sex outside marriage is wrong, pprn is wrong, masturbation is wrong. And The lord can give you power over it all. it is God’s will to abstain from all forms of sexual immorality

              Have you had sex? I’m going to assume you have. Does it not feel great? Do you not love to touch and caress your partner? Don’t you enjoy making her feel good. Do you not realize that sex and masturbation are simply part of being human? It only causes harm if YOU let it. Its only a terrible sin because YOU say it is. if god didn’t want us having sex then people wouldn’t have orgasms. We orgasm for the same reason animals do. Because it makes us want to have sex. Its “Go forth and multiply” not “go forth and do that horrible nasty thing in the bushes over there because god doesn’t want to see your filthiness while youre romping like dogs.”

              Actually to be most accurate it would be “go forth..have kids….and then have those kids hump each other…then have their kids hump each other….and then…..” You get the point?

              WHOLE LOTTA INCEST! I guess the first 100 or so people went to hell for bumping uglies with family. Or…….it didn’t happen. Oh man I bet I just put some scary thoughts in your head…”what if he’s right?” “Is god real?” “If heavens not real then what’s out there?” “Just a big ass universe?”

              Here’s something that will blow your head off.
              1. Picture the universe before god said let their be light( or the big bang)

              2. Picture the empty nothingness.
              3. Try to really think about what “nothing” would be.

              Its impossible. Nothing wouldn’t be empty black space. It would be nothing. Its an impossibility because we are here.The universe couldn’t have had a beginning because something doesn’t come from nothing.

              The only two answers. 1. The universe is infinite. 2. God.

              But god isn’t truly an answer because he’s an impossibility. You could say “where did god come from ?”and so on. Also God spoke to people (supposedly). An infinite perfect being like that could not speak to people. That would imply that god has a personality. Which would make him human like. It would make him prone to mistakes and misjudgment. The one phrase that makes since is “to look upon the face of god is to look upon madness”(I don’t think that quote is correct) A being like “god” would have to be like that. He couldn’t be some dude up in heaven with a big beard and solid white hair. But he apparently spoke to people? That just doesn’t work.
              You look up at the sky you’ll see billions of stars inside billions of galaxies spread out over billions of light years. Our viewable universe ends at the cosmic microwave background radiation.(the radiation left over from the big bang) Because none of the light from beyond has reached us. If their is a beyond. Which their would have to be because “nothing” is impossible.

              So our entire universe could be one of an infinite number of universes.

              That is big. I don’t see a place for God. The universe may seem lonely without god. But that’s why humans are here.( and more than likely an infinite number of alien races out there)

              All that I’ve said is wasted on you because you will never EVER change your mind. You won’t even relax a little bit and consider that maybe ,when a 12 year old masturbates. He’s not performing some black magic ritual. He’s just giving himself an orgasm because his hormones are off the charts and he’s about to hump a hole in the ground. I’m mean come on dude?!?! Why do we get horny? Why? Why?

              WHY?

              That’s a question youre never going to be able to ask.

              Because youre STUPID(period)

              *applause *

            3. It is the will of God to abstain from sexual immorality sex outside marriage is wrong, pprn is wrong, masturbation is wrong. And The lord can give you power over it all. it is God’s will to abstain from all forms of sexual immorality

              Is this the same god character as portrayed in the bible who condones slavery, abortion, stoning of unruly children, kidnap, rape, religious intolerance and genocide?

              I have read your bible.

              And my question to anyone else who has also read the bible and think that the god character as portrayed in there is anything but a vile, wicked, disgusting and morally bankrupt, psychotic being?

              Your god sets mankind up to fail from the get-go.

              He creates Adam & Eve. Then he places them in the Garden of Eden and tells them not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge which your god places right smack dab in the middle instead of outside the Garden, or even on the other side of the globe thousands of miles away where they can’t get to it.

              He then makes the tree short instead of really really tall so that Eve, a female (and females usually tend to be shorter then males) can walk right up and easily grab the low hanging fruit. He then makes the fruit tasty and delicious instead of poisonous or with spikey thorns like a cactus.

              Your god tells them that they will die if they eat the fruit. But the serpent proves that’s a lie when it tells them that they won’t die but gain knowledge (which they did).

              Your god then throws a hissy fit and chucks them out of the Garden and says that now they and all their descendants (who have not even been born yet) are all equally guilty. Not a very loving or forgiving thing to do from an all-loving and all-forgiving deity.

              Your god (who is supposedly all-knowing) acts all surprised when humans constantly do things he doesn’t like. And what does your god do? He wipes out entire civilizations/populations.

              So, basically your god is a two year old child throwing a temper tantrum when he doesn’t get his way and smashes all his toys whenever he feels like it because he can just get new toys to replace them.

              Then your god molests a teenage Jewish virgin, knocks her up and she gives birth to him (or his son, or god made flesh, or whichever way you want to call it).

              Your god then sacrifices himself to himself to act as a loophole for some stupid rules he created in the first place.

              Only an insane person would look at all those things and say those are the acts of a loving and merciful being.

              Please show where in the bible Satan commits atrocities on the same level, scope and scale as your god and now you have two really powerful and really insane supernatural beings.

              The bible should come with a disclaimer saying that it is a work of fiction and not a history book. This is absolutely ridiculous.

              It is shameful and embarrassing. They are forcing America to regress on so many levels.

              I find it astonishing that certain Christians can come out with the same tiresome script over and over again and expect it to work.

              If the Abrahamic god is real, then he obviously cares more about the rapist’s freedom to rape, and the murderer’s freedom to murder, than he cares about the lives of their victims.

              1. Is this the same god character as portrayed in the bible who condones slavery, abortion, stoning of unruly children, kidnap, rape, religious intolerance and genocide?

                what sin is slavery ? As long as it’s done by biblical standards it’s not a sin. Bible says thou shalt not kill that would mean babies too. so abortion is wrong. Stoning is a old testament law. Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone. He wasn’t even talking about rocks either, only the spiritually blind think it was a actual stone. Bible does not condone rape. Just because rape is in the bible does not mean it condones it. The bible said one lord one faith one baptism. So If it’s not Christianity it isn’t the right religion. So religious intolerance is because other religions are false. As far as genocide, You do realize that god gives life?. and it’s he who has the authority to take it. If not we would live forever in this hell hole.

                1. Excuse you, did you just defend slavery?

                  Also, your god condones abortion, so that would mean your god is guilty not only of murder but for breaking his own rules.

                  Excuse you, but the 10 Commandments are also OT, or do you think Christians should abandon them as well?

                  See, this is what I find so fascinating about you people. You pick and choose which sections of your bullshit bible you’re going to follow and ignore all the parts that you don’t like.

                  And you need to re-read your bible again because your god definitely does condone rape. Or do you not know the story

                  Num.25:9, Midianite massacre all the males (including male children) were slaughtered and 32,000 virgins were kept alive as sex slaves.

                  That would be rape, murder, and slavery right off the bat.

                  The god of the bible that was revealed was a horrific and evil creature. He ordered rape, murder, unborn babies being cut out of the stomach of their mothers.

                  They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT).

                  Let’s assume there is a god. Do you think he would accept that as a reasonable way to live your life? I mean if you believe in god because you want insurance in case it does exist than it’s not really believing right? I mean when I buy fire insurance on a house i’m not buying because i know my house will burn down but just in case it does burn down. Why would an all powerful omnipotent being want you to half ass believing in him?

                  1. If you knew anything about the bible you would know that Jesus changed about 10 laws maybe more in the new testament that was in the old. But murder wasn’t one of them. again, God has the authority to end life. IF he didn’t end life everybody would never die. Did you not also read where it says he who is without sin cast the first stone. Well, lol god is without sin so he has the authority to judge all man. When god flooded the earth with water everybody died, yet god committed no sin. http://www.gotquestions.org/God-killing.html We are not the judge god is. He is the supreme most high. Most people that have problems with the bible are the ones doing something in it that god/Jesus speaks against. So what is it. You gay or atheist, or both ?

                    1. Excuse YOU, but if YOU knew anything about the bible you would know that’s a false assumption. Arrogance is assuming a god listens to your prayers, as if you’re important to some almighty creator of the universe.

                      Christians have been killing non-believers for centuries. At least you aren’t being burned at the stake.

                      Religion is founded on fear of the unknown and used by the greedy and powerful to fill their coffers and legitimize their actions against “other”.

                      Just think about this idea of an invisible, imaginary friend of yours.

                      He is a creator deity who created the universe to have a special relationship with one type of species of primate (human beings) lucky us.

                      And he’s got galaxy upon galaxy to attend to but he’s ONLY really concerned with what we (human beings) do, and he’s especially concerned with what we do while naked, and whom we do it with, and in what positions.

                      He almost certainly disapproves of homosexuality, and he’s created this entire cosmos as a vast laboratory in which to test our powers of credulity.

                      And the test is this – can you believe in this god on bad evidence which is to say on faith?

                      And if you can you will win an eternity of happiness after you die.

                      And its precisely this sort of god and that sort of scheme that you must believe in if you’re going to have any kind of future in politics in the US.

                      No matter what your gifts.

                      You could be an unprecedented genius like Professor Stephen Hawkins. You could look like George Clooney. You could have many more billions of dollars then Bill Gates, and you could have the social skills of Oprah and you are going nowhere in politics in US unless you believe in that sort of god.

                      Now think about all the Muslims at this moment who are blowing themselves up convinced that they are agents of god’s will.

                      There is absolutely nothing that Christians can say against their behavior in moral terms apart from his/her own faith-based claim that they were praying to the wrong god.

                      If they had been praying to the right god then what they were doing would be good under divine command theory.

                      Now obviously I’m not saying that all Christians or all religious people are psychopaths and psychotics.

                      But this to me is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions what only lunatics believe on their own.

                      If you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is going turn them into the body of Elvis Presley you’ve lost your mind.

                      But if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus you’re just a Catholic.

                    2. Fear is a good thing, Bible says the fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom. People that kill in the name of Christ are in the wrong. We the church are to be gods bride. So yes he is concerned with how we live and what we do. Our body is a temple doing things like having sex out of wedlock is defiling that temple. saying there are hugh amounts of space an plants out there and wondering why god pays attention to us is like saying there are billions of kids on earth why do my parents pay so much attention to me ? We belong to god we were bought with a price. The only way to please god is by faith, That means believing in the man in the sky even though you don’t see him. Because through faith we are saved by grace. Which means believing that Jesus died for our sins covers a multitude of our sins.

                    3. Excuse you, but you cannot know anything on faith. By definition. Faith tells you nothing.

                      You are left with the preposterous proposition that either all religions are true, or none of them are true, or that just one exclusive preachment is true.

                      When I ask them religious people will invariably say that they gravitate towards faith because they want someone to look after them.

                      This whole idea of a “heavenly all-father” for example is predicated on the notion of this divine celestial dictator who has you on 25 hour surveillance and who can convict you of thought crimes (even your dreams). And if found guilty will send you to a fiery dungeon to be tortured FOREVER is very appealing to some people.

                      So, basically, hell is the afterlife version of a Nazi concentration camp. When did your god turn into Heinrich Himmler?

                      There’s the old joke where some people say god is dead and others say no, god is dad.

                      In Islam the word Islam means surrender or prostration. You give everything to god. Your everything is in his hands.

                      So, my question is WHY do you enjoy being a slave?

                    4. Hell was invented for Lucifer and his fallen angels. Don’t worry about Islam they’re a false religion. God has never sent anyone to hell, they chose to go their by denying him. We all actually should be in hell for our sins. But god gave us a second chance. And that’s it, after that there remains no more chances. You choose the path you take. Your type always has problems with this kind of thinking because you think as the world thinks. God cannot allow sin into heaven. An unrepentant heart is a sinful heart. If he allowed sin into heaven it would destroy it. Would you allow a murder in the same house as your children ? neither would god.

                    5. Incorrect again, what a surprise.

                      First off, you cannot claim Islam is a false religion when they believe in the same god you do. Unless you are also saying that Christianity and Judaism are also false religions since you all worship the same god.

                      Second, no one chooses to go to hell, and YES your god definitely does send people there unless you are now saying that the entire basis of your religion is incorrect.

                      And as far as your bullshit argument about choosing a path that’s not really a choice.

                      It’s like the mafia boss analogy which goes like this:

                      You own a store. One day the local don stops by with some of his guys to pay you a visit and says something to the affect of: “Mighty nice store you got here. Be a real shame if something bad were to happen to it. Tell you what.. you pay me a tribute and my guys here won’t shoot you in the face with these here shot guns. It’s your choice if you want to pay me or not. Just know that if you don’t my guys will shoot you dead and burn down your business.”

                      Your god does the exact same thing: “Mighty nice life you got here. Be a real shame if something bad were to happen to it. Tell you what.. you kiss my ass and I won’t condemn you to eternal pain and torment. Or, if you’d prefer, this is my son, Jesus. If you kiss his feet I won’t condemn you to eternal pain and torment. It’s your choice if you want to kiss my ass or his feet. Just know that if you don’t I will send you straight to a fiery dungeon where you will be tortured FOREVER.

                      The problem with your type is the arrogance that you and people like you believe you know what your god wants. The same god you and people like you say is beyond human comprehension. Okay, well, that would include all of you too.

                    6. Incorrect again, what a surprise.

                      First off, you cannot claim Islam is a false religion when they believe in the same god you do. Unless you are also saying that Christianity and Judaism are also false religions since you all worship the same god.

                      Second, no one chooses to go to hell, and YES your god definitely does send people there unless you are now saying that the entire basis of your religion is incorrect.

                      And as far as your bullshit argument about choosing a path that’s not really a choice.

                      It’s like the mafia boss analogy which goes like this:

                      You own a store. One day the local don stops by with some of his guys to pay you a visit and says something to the affect of: “Mighty nice store you got here. Be a real shame if something bad were to happen to it. Tell you what.. you pay me a tribute and my guys here won’t shoot you in the face with these here shot guns. It’s your choice if you want to pay me or not. Just know that if you don’t my guys will shoot you dead and burn down your business.”

                      Your god does the exact same thing: “Mighty nice life you got here. Be a real shame if something bad were to happen to it. Tell you what.. you kiss my ass and I won’t condemn you to eternal pain and torment. Or, if you’d prefer, this is my son, Jesus. If you kiss his feet I won’t condemn you to eternal pain and torment. It’s your choice if you want to kiss my ass or his feet. Just know that if you don’t I will send you straight to a fiery dungeon where you will be tortured FOREVER.

                      The problem with your type is the arrogance that you and people like you believe you know what your god wants. The same god you and people like you say is beyond human comprehension. Okay, well, that would include all of you too.

                      Yeah it could be like a mob boss, or to people that aren’t a whack job it’s more like a parent. You know you’ll get into trouble if you do wrong. But speaking to atheist who probably are liberal don’t believe in parents parenting they want to be ”friends” with there kids. And no, ”Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity”. There is no way under the new laws that you can go to god without going through Jesus first. http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq153.html Islam doesn’t believe that. So they can’t be teaching sound doctrine.

                    7. Incorrect again, what a surprise.

                      No, bad parents who want to look “kewl” in front of their kids want to be their “friends” instead of parents. To throw a blanket accusation only shows your continued ignorance.

                      “With great power comes great responsibility.” Spider-Man said that and your god fails on all fronts when it comes to that notion.

                      For example: Why did Yahweh think it was better to order genocide on the Canaanite nations instead of appearing before them en masse and calmly, but firmly, explaining to them that he was their god, creator of the universe, and give them his rules and regulations on how he wanted them to live in peace amongst their fellow nations (the Israelites, the Egyptians, etc.)?

                      The Abrahamic god had NONE of these qualities. In fact, if you go according to what was written in the bible, he demonstrated the exact opposite in his behavior.

                      This is all pointed out in the Book of Job which clearly demonstrates this. If the Book of Job doesn’t make it vividly clear to anyone, then they’re either simply choosing to ignore what it really says or just don’t understand what they are reading.

                      My atheism is a conclusion based on scientific findings whereas your Christianity is, in fact, opinions without any evidence. It isn’t even practical.

                    8. Incorrect again, what a surprise.

                      No, bad parents who want to look “kewl” in front of their kids want to be their “friends” instead of parents. To throw a blanket accusation only shows your continued ignorance.

                      “With great power comes great responsibility.” Spider-Man said that and your god fails on all fronts when it comes to that notion.

                      For example: Why did Yahweh think it was better to order genocide on the Canaanite nations instead of appearing before them en masse and calmly, but firmly, explaining to them that he was their god, creator of the universe, and give them his rules and regulations on how he wanted them to live in peace amongst their fellow nations (the Israelites, the Egyptians, etc.)?

                      The Abrahamic god had NONE of these qualities. In fact, if you go according to what was written in the bible, he demonstrated the exact opposite in his behavior.

                      This is all pointed out in the Book of Job which clearly demonstrates this. If the Book of Job doesn’t make it vividly clear to anyone, then they’re either simply choosing to ignore what it really says or just don’t understand what they are reading.

                      My atheism is a conclusion based on scientific findings whereas your Christianity is, in fact, opinions without any evidence. It isn’t even practical.

                      Well god did show people who he was an told them the laws an rules on how to live. You know what happened right ? Yep, they hung him on a cross and nailed him to it. So that theory doesn’t work. If god walked the earth today he wouldn’t last a year. His beheading would be on you tube or somewhere. God is not the master of this world Lucifer is, and most of the people are not his bride to be. They didn’t receive him then and it is more wicked now they surely want receive him now.

                    9. Uh, no. You cannot use the bible to prove that the bible is true. It doesn’t work that way. Especially when you and people like you haven’t proven why anyone should believe anything in that book that’s made up of bits and pieces stolen from other people’s religions and fairy tales.

                      Try reading up on Gilgamesh who lived sometime between 2800 and 2500 BC. He is the main character in the Epic of Gilgamesh, an Akkadian poem that is considered the first great work of literature, and in earlier Sumerian poems. Almost the entire Noah’s Ark story was straight up lifted from one of the Gilgamesh tales.

                      Jesus Christ is another character that is actually a composite of a number of other fairy stories that had been going around the Middle East and Mediterranean.

                      – Horus born December 25th (3000 years before Christ), born of a virgin, whose birth was accompanied by a star in the East which was followed by 3 kings (or wise men), at 12 he was a prodigal child teacher, at 30 he was baptized and later began his ministry, he had 12 disciples who he traveled around with performing miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. He raised Azar from the dead. Azar, by the way, is another name for Lazarus. He was known by many names such as “the Truth” the “the lamb of god” and “the light.” After being betrayed he was crucified, buried for 3 days and then resurrected.

                      – Attis 1200 years before Christ: born of a virgin and on Dec 25th, was crucified, was placed in a tomb and after 3 days resurrected.

                      – Krishna of India 900 years before Christ: born of a virgin accompanied by a star in the East that signaled his arrival. He performed miracles, traveled with several disciples and, upon his death, resurrected.

                      – Dionysus of Greece 500 years before Christ: born of a virgin, born on Dec 25th, was a traveling teacher who performed miracles such as turning water into wine. He was referred to as “king of kings”, “god’s only begotten son”, “the alpha and the omega”, and many others, and upon his death he was resurrected.

                      – Mithra of Persia 1200 years before Christ: born of a virgin on Dec 25th, he had 12 disciples, he performed miracles, and upon his death he was buried for 3 days then resurrected. He was also referred to as “the Truth”, “the Light” and many others. It’s also interesting to note that they worshipped him on Sunday.

                      The fact is that there are numerous “saviors”, “messiahs” and other characters all throughout history that came out before Jesus Christ who had the exact same or similar backgrounds, could perform the same or similar feats of magic or miracles, and who died and were resurrected in similar fashions.

                      To hold up the bible as the true or revealed word of your god only shows how deeply ignorant you are not only of your own religion and the many religions of the world, but history in general.

                    10. Sorry but other historians wrote about Jesus being real like Josephus, http://www.josephus.org/testimonium.htm and others. So we know Jesus was real and not some plagiarized story. Their are many false gods, it’s mentioned in the bible http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/joshua24-2.html But the god of Israel is the one true god. I love the fact that atheist are making science there god to try to use it to disprove god.when in fact it’s my belief that science and there work will only prove god more.

                    11. Hell was invented for Lucifer and his fallen angels. Don’t worry about Islam they’re a false religion. God has never sent anyone to hell, they chose to go their by denying him. We all actually should be in hell for our sins. But god gave us a second chance. And that’s it, after that there remains no more chances. You choose the path you take. Your type always has problems with this kind of thinking because you think as the world thinks. God cannot allow sin into heaven. An unrepentant heart is a sinful heart. If he allowed sin into heaven it would destroy it. Would you allow a murder in the same house as your children ? neither would god.

                      what the hell is wrong with you guys?!
                      enjoy life, sex, money, greed, or whatever sins the bible is preaching! forget all of that crap!
                      get out in the sun and enjoy life without the bible always causing bad conscience! sure our society is based on christian rules and values and that’s good but everything beyond that is just crazy peace

                    12. what the hell is wrong with you guys?!
                      enjoy life, sex, money, greed, or whatever sins the bible is preaching! forget all of that crap!

                      Excuse you, but this is a public forum where people come to post comments, opinions, ideas, etc.

                      If you don’t want to be a part of the discussion then GTFO.

            4. It is the will of God to abstain from sexual immorality sex outside marriage is wrong, pprn is wrong, masturbation is wrong. And The lord can give you power over it all. it is God’s will to abstain from all forms of sexual immorality

              get lost fucker

  39. With God’s power there is no limits or boundaries. We need to humble ourselves before our Mighty Lord Jesus and get down on our knees and ask for the deliverance of all your sin. Before praying I drink some olive oil to receive the anointing of the Holy Ghost. Depart from evil and do good. The fire of the Holy Ghost will tear down all chains of bondage in your life. May there be Fire Ghost revival throughout the world. Behold, Jesus comes quickly.

    1. Just add a couple of periods and that’s a great campfire story.

      “May their be fire ghost revival throughout the world. Behold, Jesus comes quickly…”

      He’s kidnap you and feed you to the fire ghost!

      RUN!!!!

  40. Sometimes I love it and I don’t want to walk away from sin.

    Its our most instinctual motivation, Its what makes life continue. Obviously it is going to feel GOOD to continue life (sex) because it is necessary for life to continue. If sex felt bad we wouldn’t have over 7 billion people on the planet. There would be no dogs, no cats, no birds, no cheetahs, no dolphins, no frogs, no animals whatsoever because no one wants to have sex. Dont say no to the best thing life has to offer; more life.

  41. I love the girl on the left, because she has desires (eg her interest in explicit pictures) but has never acted on them (no masturbation or premarital sex). She would make a wonderful wife for someone one day, and I hope she gets the husband she deserves.

    1. Do you realize that what you said boils down to “I love that she’s sexual and still a virgin. Shes gonna make some guy real happy one day.” Does that not sound weird to you? Does it not sound sinful and sexist?

      “I like that she has desires” if I was a preacher I would shout “SINNER!” At you. But I’m not. I’m a guy that feels bad about two girls who are gonna be let down .when they realize that you have to CRAVE sex to enjoy it. Odds are they’ll get married let their husbands romp them and get no pleasure out of it. Because like they both said , those thoughts and urges are the devil trying to take you to hell. insert scary ghost noise

      1. The fact that this girl has desires tells me that she will ask her future husband to meet her needs and will not be abused by him in the way you suggest. Indeed, her determination not to give in to those desires and abuse herself or give herself to some random guy before marriage means she will be doubly keen for sex once she is wed.

        1. Do you know the more people a woman sleeps with the less likely she is to stay married ? Look it up. Basically it’s saying you can’t make a house wife out of a whore . If people focused more on respecting there wife/husbands instead of looking for a good screw the divorce rate might go way down.

          1. I agree, which is why I think it’s good that she is controlling her desires currently (no sex or masturbation). It means she will make a wonderful wife some day.

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